India's negative side of growth.

[bhramos]

this is thread dedicated to the negative points of India and happening in India rural areas.
the poor, castes, unemployment, corruption,...............so on.
these are the some reasons of growing terrorism, naxalites, other criminals activities.........
these all the problems are caused by the negligence of political leaders and so on, i am not going to discuss but, show u videos and pics......

A BBC documentry

[video]http://video.uk.msn.com/watch/video/episode-3/12goddfs5?from=CA3[/video]

 

[bhramos]

Poverty & Slavery in India - a film by Albert Clack

 

[SHASH2K2]

so best option for India is to have no growth at all? more growth more problems and hence no growth and no problem. Problem solved and India will become Bornistan.

 

[Armand2REP]

What happens if indebted farmers who cannot repay tell the collectors to go F themselves and move in with their relatives?

 

[Rage]

This video is kind of old. 1998 says the description.

Still, I don't doubt the kind of slavery and bonded labor witnessed in the video still exists- especially among the Dalit community.

But, that slum looks like it's part of the Dharavi slum in the Sion Naka area going toward Dadar- which I'm happy to tell you has shrunk considerably since the vid was taken.

This is kinda like how it looks today:

This is also what they're doing in a nearby area - at Mankhurd along the Sion-Panvel Highway in an attempt to rehouse slum dwellers:

I'm not very impressed. But It's a start.

What happens if indebted farmers who cannot repay tell the collectors to go F themselves and move in with their relatives?

They get shot. Or if the local zamindaars don't want a case on their hands, they get harassed by a bunch of goons until they cough up their land and their property. If that's not enough, they usually get roped in to exploitative contracts for indentured labour- that last far longer than the wage rate says is due. If the ol' man dies without paying his dues, his sons usually have to work it off for a time. Until the fat fvck sitting on his zamindaari throne decides he's had enuff.

 

[Armand2REP]

What happens if the son walks away from his father's contract?

 

[Rage]

What happens if the son walks away from his father's contract?

Repeat, rinse, start all over again.

 

[Armand2REP]

Repeat, rinse, start all over again.

How can these zamindaari get away with it? It is illegal is it not?

 

[tarunraju]

How can these zamindaari get away with it? It is illegal is it not?

It's illegal, but they're also able to influence the police. Think of them as the mafia who collect 'protection money'. There are laws and police, but they get their work done anyway. Of course Zamindari is on a much bigger scale.

The land-ceiling act and more 'powerful' governments have brought that down a little, though many feel India needs further land reforms, redistributions in some places.

 

[Rage]

How can these zamindaari get away with it? It is illegal is it not?

Course it's illegal. But different states have different "Zamindari Abolition Acts". And the law reaches only so far and so wide- and very rarely in higher places.

India leaves land reforms to the individual states- and that I think is the problem.

Remember: The zamindaars are landed and so consequently well-funded. For five years during the 1950's, when serious measures toward reforming the Constitution to declare such practices outlawed were being pursued, the most powerful zamindaars themselves fought a bill to outlaw their kind in Uttar Pradesh. The bill was passed, and the zamindars hired the best lawyers they could find to prove it unconstitutional.

Still progress has been achieved in terms of rooting out the phenomenon. In most cases, zamindaars will get away by simply having the cops in their pocket. Or by phrasing contracts in such a way that it doesn't seem like indentured labour. Rural illiteracy also contributes to the problem. India of the countryside is, like they say, 'old school'. And they like to clean out their own 'dirty laundry'.

If you want a good idea of how 'cheap' life is in rural India: watch the movie 'Peepli'.

 

[bhramos]

What happens if the son walks away from his father's contract?

and the another problem is unemployment, they cant maintain that houses with the least payments they are getting. so they will rent their houses and come back to live their again. and another problem is corruption, they cant pay the bribery to officials to hand over the house and will be sold to the middlemen and will rented to the others..........

 

[bhramos]

B N Reddy Telangana Martyr
B N Reddy Telangana Martyr, B N Reddy is fighter for formers independence in 70's against Zamindari system in Telangana Region. and a member Telangana sayudha poratam.

 

[amoy]

Corruption is something that can never be rooted out.

Former Mayors of Beijing (Zhang) and Shanghai (Chen) are still in jail. And the ex-Head of People's Congress (Cheng) was even sentenced to death and injected.

Nothing has changed

 

[Singh]

What happens if indebted farmers who cannot repay tell the collectors to go F themselves and move in with their relatives?

What happens if the son walks away from his father's contract?

Farmers rely on three types of funding
1. Govt Banks
2. Private lenders
3. Family and Friends

1. Public financial institutions. Govt is both lenient and generous when it comes to debt collection and routinely gives billions of dollars worth of waivers to farmers.

2. Private lenders/institutions give chiefly two types of loans - secured where something is mortgaged in return , and unsecured, where nothing is kept as security. Private lenders either seize assets kept as security or seize the land or in case the family has no land it has to work as labour to pay off the debt (in some extreme cases as bonded labour). Private lenders attitude depends on the region in which they operate, in backward regions they are more prevalent and exploitative.

3. Family connections run deep in rural societies and help each other out in times of need.

How can these zamindaari get away with it? It is illegal is it not?

Zamindar is someone who owned vast swathes of land including entire villages. Zamindari was abolished, Land reforms took place decades back and there are land ceiling acts in place.

The problem is powerful money lenders/industry owners who operate in the most backward regions, they collude with govt officials to exploit poor rural folk.

 

[Iamanidiot]

Ohimalaya corruption in India and China.. are different in india the majority of corruption is of the graft variety.Even though we to have scams but thats something different they are institutions such as the CAG(compotroller and Auditor General ) who verifies the consolidted fund of india 's accounts , an independent judiciary and an electorate which will fry the politicians ass if he is found guilty (google madhu koda scam and lalu scam).Where as CCP does organized thuggery (it is ridden with factions and graft cases and other sorts of corruption come into light only when say when faction wants to even scores with the other party faction).That means corruption cases come into light only when there are intra party factional disputes.

In short accountability is a privelege in China where it is a right in india.No that we do not have thugs ...we have the instutional checks ensure that either their political career is dead or they are dead

 

[Iamanidiot]

How can these zamindaari get away with it? It is illegal is it not?

Armand land tenures in india are not uniform .The Zamindaari system itself was never uniformly present all over india.During the colonial period there are three types of land tenures
a)Ryotwari system
b)Zamindari system
c)Mahalwari system
d)Taluqadari system

a)Ryotwari system:This system has been present in the madras presidency state(Tamil nadu and Andhra Pradesh(only in the coastal and Rayalseema).This was developed by Thomas Munro(1800-1817).In this tenure system the land is actually owned by the one who tills it and he is considered as a unit of revenue colection

b)Zamindari system:In this system the Zamindar was considered as an unit of revenue collection.This was developed by Cornwallis(the one who lost the american war of independence).The zamindar has to collect revenue from his tenants and give to the collector the Zamindar generally used to get a comission of 11% of the revenue collected.This was implemented in Bengal presidency(Bengal,bangladesh,bihar,orissa)

c)Mahalwari System:The village was considered as the unit of revenue collection this was implemented in the united provinces

d)Taluqadari system:Similar to the Zamindari system implemented in the Awadh Taluqas

 

[Iamanidiot]

What happens if indebted farmers who cannot repay tell the collectors to go F themselves and move in with their relatives?

Armand sometimes the states governments erase as much as 20,000 crores as agricultural loans in electoral promises

 

[gogbot]

People just don't want to take care of the public sector in India.
People who could do a better job are to disillusioned by it all or simply to scared to put their neck out.
People who do try , often meet stiff opposition. And are force to back down or else.
People who usually end up making something of their selves usually do so through illicit means.

India needs governmental reforms on an unprecedented scale.

Greater wages.
More internal affairs(they can only bribe so many)
More accountability.

And of course more central authority and prosecution powers. (CBI needs to be able to toss a CM in jail and interrogate him, if it wants to)
With massive police reforms , for all individual states mandated by the Central authority.

Even if we do all this corruption will not be eliminated.

But at least it can be bought down.

 

[Armand2REP]

Armand land tenures in india are not uniform .The Zamindaari system itself was never uniformly present all over india.During the colonial period there are three types of land tenures
a)Ryotwari system
b)Zamindari system
c)Mahalwari system
d)Taluqadari system

a)Ryotwari system:This system has been present in the madras presidency state(Tamil nadu and Andhra Pradesh(only in the coastal and Rayalseema).This was developed by Thomas Munro(1800-1817).In this tenure system the land is actually owned by the one who tills it and he is considered as a unit of revenue colection

So why don't they just make Ryotwari the land reform across the whole country?

b)Zamindari system:In this system the Zamindar was considered as an unit of revenue collection.This was developed by Cornwallis(the one who lost the american war of independence).The zamindar has to collect revenue from his tenants and give to the collector the Zamindar generally used to get a comission of 11% of the revenue collected.This was implemented in Bengal presidency(Bengal,bangladesh,bihar,orissa)

Cornwallis, the same one who surrendered to Rochambeau? What was he doing before getting his ass beat by the French that he had time to develop a colonial land system? Of course he would keep a feudal land system, he was not too bright.

 

[Armand2REP]

Armand sometimes the states governments erase as much as 20,000 crores as agricultural loans in electoral promises

Is that what Mayawati does to get support from the peasants?