India’s internet user base to hit 402 million, second-highest in the world: IAMAI

[Mad Indian]

In France I pay roughly 20 euros for 10gb. Cheaper than India I believe.

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Wow. So costly! Even UK had a cheaper 3G bills. Anyway. What bout landline internet and its quality?

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Wow. So costly! Even UK had a cheaper 3G bills. Anyway. What bout landline internet and its quality?

You can club landline and mobile and tv for 30euros. So overall, it is cheap. Also it is 4g in most of the cities.

I have 100Mbps plan with some free calls (never cared to figure out how many) on landline. The TV box comes with standard channels and can be upgraded.

 

[Mad Indian]

You can club landline and mobile and tv for 30euros. So overall, it is cheap. Also it is 4g in most of the cities.

I have 100Mbps plan with some free calls (never cared to figure out how many) on landline. The TV box comes with standard channels and can be upgraded.

And 30 euros is nothing when their average per capita income is 40000 euros. But compare that with India where you get half of what you said for 30 euros when the average percapita income here is 2000 euros.... So who in right mind can claim India has cheap internet?

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

And 30 euros is nothing when their average per capita income is 40000 euros. But compare that with India where you get half of what you said for 30 euros when the average percapita income here is 2000 euros.... So who in right mind can claim India has cheap internet?

That is what you get when you let CAG run wild with numbers. In any case GoI kept the floor price too high. Same was the case for recent FM band auctions. Govt. made too much money and stupid firms still bought it. It seems unlikely that they will break even after 10 years.

 

[The Last Stand]

Ha ha ha. He is an NRI /pio . you are replying to him as if he is an American. But yes, there is nothing wrong in porn driving internet nor do I think he meant it in a bad way. You just took offense because you misinterpreted what he meant

I don't have a problem with India, I'm Indian. I was just making a joke, which is a the same time some what accurate. Chillax buddy, not everyone is hostile to Indians and I'm not some western gora.

Forgive this dumbass.

Needless posturing.

 

[BATTLE FIELD]

Where is that commie who was claiming that poor got poorer? Apparently, India is so poor that even the poor now own internet

He will be still jumping over the speed of 3.8MBps like crazy b**ch till India's broadband network and satellite infrastructure completes in 4-5 years.
Knowing that a "poor" country like India graved his nation in internet speed, he will suicide jumping from that sh*ty cheeni wall.

Back biting

internet connection still with dial up modems.

mad indian you took personally about that post.

 

[Chinmoy]

And 30 euros is nothing when their average per capita income is 40000 euros. But compare that with India where you get half of what you said for 30 euros when the average percapita income here is 2000 euros.... So who in right mind can claim India has cheap internet?

Dear @Mad Indian, for every Ambani in India, we do have more then 1000 handcart puller. The point is, which i am repeating again, is not what you are using or what I am using. Its about what the general public is using and having access to. What is the 3G coverage in India? 60% of users in India does use 2G as of today for one reason or another. The prominent reason for it is the non availability / non reliability of 3G is most of India. So when you would be calculating price rate you can't simply go on and calculate 3G or 4G price leaving behind the huge customer base of 2G.

Moreover you simply can't compare the price rate of 3G/4G of any western nation with that in India. What is the cost endured by any SP in hardware when they upgrade a BTS for 3G/4G along with keeping 2G service intact. Compare the same with what any western nation pay. Now technology doesn't come cheap, but in India its even more expensive.

But when you have to compare what the general public use, which is 2G, then India does have the cheapest call and data rate.

@Sakal Gharelu Ustad if I to believe Airtel, the most expensive network in India, they are providing 10GB 4G data for Rs 995 i.e., 14.11 euros. But again its not available nation wide. But if the customer base does increase, I am sure the rate would come down further.

 

[Mad Indian]

Dear @Mad Indian, for every Ambani in India, we do have more then 1000 handcart puller. The point is, which i am repeating again, is not what you are using or what I am using. Its about what the general public is using and having access to. What is the 3G coverage in India? 60% of users in India does use 2G as of today for one reason or another. The prominent reason for it is the non availability / non reliability of 3G is most of India. So when you would be calculating price rate you can't simply go on and calculate 3G or 4G price leaving behind the huge customer base of 2G.

Yes, if Indians lacked cars or bikes and predominantly travelled by walk ,Cost of transportation would indeed be chapter in India. That's the kind of stupidity you are indulging in by comparing 2G internet prices with 3G internet prices in the west to justify your nonse that internet is cheaper here.

If you want to compare anything, you have to compare the like with like.

 

[Chinmoy]

Yes, if Indians lacked cars or bikes and predominantly travelled by walk ,Cost of transportation would indeed be chapter in India. That's the kind of stupidity you are indulging in by comparing 2G internet prices with 3G internet prices in the west to justify your nonse that internet is cheaper here.

If you want to compare anything, you have to compare the like with like.

And what you are saying is like whining that cost of transportation is too high because Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche, Rolls Royce, Volkswagon are so costly in India.

 

[Mad Indian]

And what you are saying is like whining that cost of transportation is too high because Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche, Rolls Royce, Volkswagon are so costly in India.

I am not claiming that, stop being stupid by doing this strawman. And since you have not rebutted what I said in my statement, I take it that I am right that your statement that India has cheap internet is patently ridiculous


Cost of 3G, which is a service is not comparable to , cost of BMW which is a manufactured good. Services should reflect the cost and PPP of the country, because the labor involved is cheaper. Same is not true for manufactured goods. So, calling BMW is costlier by Indian standard is not a correct statement while saying that housemaids getting same salary as that of the west is too costly by Indian standard is correct by statement.


What I said was similar .

As I said, stop with your stupid comparisons and compare like with like.

Indian 3G price is ridiculous because the auction was ridiculous. Govt should not have auctioned 3G. Now we have to pay the price for it

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

I am not claiming that, stop being stupid by doing this strawman. And since you have not rebutted what I said in my statement, I take it that I am right that your statement that India has cheap internet is patently ridiculous: lol:


Cost of 3G, which is a service is not comparable to , cost of BMW which is a manufactured good. Services should reflect the cost and PPP of the country, because the labor involved is cheaper. Same is not true for manufactured goods. So, calling BMW is costlier by Indian standard is not a correct statement while saying that housemaids getting same salary as that of the west is too costly by Indian standard is correct by statement.


What I said was similar .

As I said, stop with your stupid comparisons and compare like with like.

Indian 3G price is ridiculous because the auction was ridiculous. Govt should not have auctioned 3G. Now we have to pay the price for it

I don't know what is a better way to give away spectrum other than auctions. The govt. could have kept the floor price low to reflect market conditions. This way the bids would not have reached astronomical positions.

 

[Chinmoy]

I am not claiming that, stop being stupid by doing this strawman. And since you have not rebutted what I said in my statement, I take it that I am right that your statement that India has cheap internet is patently ridiculous


Cost of 3G, which is a service is not comparable to , cost of BMW which is a manufactured good. Services should reflect the cost and PPP of the country, because the labor involved is cheaper. Same is not true for manufactured goods. So, calling BMW is costlier by Indian standard is not a correct statement while saying that housemaids getting same salary as that of the west is too costly by Indian standard is correct by statement.


What I said was similar .

As I said, stop with your stupid comparisons and compare like with like.

Indian 3G price is ridiculous because the auction was ridiculous. Govt should not have auctioned 3G. Now we have to pay the price for it

Exactly.......... Why are we comparing the 3G price of India and Europe or any other western country? Do we have a decent 3G connectivity like them in here to use? My point is, when you are using 2G then why to say that 3G is too steeply priced.

What I am saying is that we are paying much less then others when we compare what we have got. And here I am not only talking about internet, it does include call rates too.

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Exactly.......... Why are we comparing the 3G price of India and Europe or any other western country? Do we have a decent 3G connectivity like them in here to use? My point is, when you are using 2G then why to say that 3G is too steeply priced.

What I am saying is that we are paying much less then others when we compare what we have got. And here I am not only talking about internet, it does include call rates too.

Are you saying that we don't have decent 3G connectivity and that is why it is expensive??

 

[Mad Indian]

I don't know what is a better way to give away spectrum other than auctions. The govt. could have kept the floor price low to reflect market conditions. This way the bids would not have reached astronomical positions.

I think govt should have kept the price based on the cost involved for the govt to get that tech deployed, just so much so that govt made some profits but not more.


Let's say, 4G cost govt some 200million $ to produce, the govt should have given away the bandwidths at a price total of 500million $ or something.

 

[Mad Indian]

Exactly.......... Why are we comparing the 3G price of India and Europe or any other western country? Do we have a decent 3G connectivity like them in here to use? My point is, when you are using 2G then why to say that 3G is too steeply priced.

The 3G in UK was pretty much the same I saw in TN. Be its distribution or its quality. Only a very slightly higher distribution owing to higher urbanisation in UK(but not by much) but otherwise same

 

[Mad Indian]

What I am saying is that we are paying much less then others when we compare what we have got. And here I am not only talking about internet, it does include call rates too.

I don't think any one in India uses 3G calls, considering how cheap it is here.

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

I think govt should have kept the price based on the cost involved for the govt to get that tech deployed, just so much so that govt made some profits but not more.


Let's say, 4G cost govt some 200million $ to produce, the govt should have given away the bandwidths at a price total of 500million $ or something.

1) Spectrum is free and out there in the open. Govt. does not need any tech deployment to sell it.

2) But spectrum is scarce commodity. How do you assign it between different market participants? If govt. gives it without auction, then there would be super high chances of corruption and spectrum being allocated to whoever govt. likes. On the other hand, a low floor price during auctions would not have generated super high bids.

 

[Mad Indian]

1) Spectrum is free and out there in the open. Govt. does not need any tech deployment to sell it.

Of course, then you have to include the cost of running telecom division and its bureaucracy on its costs.

2) But spectrum is scarce commodity. How do you assign it between different market participants? If govt. gives it without auction, then there would be super high chances of corruption and spectrum being allocated to whoever govt. likes. On the other hand, a low floor price during auctions would not have generated super high bids.

The problem I see here is that, the low base price does not really gaurentee a lower final bid.


For example, if I auction 1gm of pure gold coin today, at starting price of 1 rupees vs auction of 1 gm of gold with a starting price of 100 ruppees, would there be any significant difference in the final bid offer I get on both?

How will the spectrum auction be any different? Am I missing something here?


Regarding corruption, first come first serve principle should be applied here IMO, only transparently.

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Or, otherwise govt. could have auctioned it based on price offered to consumers. Instead of generating super high revenues for itself, it could have sold it using reverse auction for lowest price bids i.e. the firms which will provide services at lowest 3G costs. It would have helped in two ways:

1) Direct benefit to consumers and switch to high 3G usage

2) Increases cash-holdings with the firms for infrastructure development. Most of these firms had to take huge loans and reduced their cash holdings to pay to the govt. Now imagine how much these firms could have invested if govt. did not take away their money in one big blow.

 

[Screambowl]

still
places like barcelona, prague, rome, milan and züruch remain most visited and developed.

try to bring difference in life and the way your city looks. No matter you reach 1 Billion internet users, but give more importance to the way your city looks. World gives a lot of importance to how your country looks. And it's not about getting only their attention but also good for us.
We should make our place and our country beautiful. So that Europe becomes the second choice ..

When we start liking our city and maintaining it, so that outsiders come and say, 'Wow' Romantic' only then one will say oh Internet has contributed to some thing. We need to KNOW how to utilize these facilities. It is not just about getting them.