India's Anti-Satellite Weapons

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    Use this thread to discuss about Indian ASAT capability (via rockets, missiles, DEWs, or Railguns etc..),
    Does India has capability, should it demonstrate or not, if yes advantages and consequences, when must be done.
    For discussion DEWs,
    We have a separate thread as well.
    Indian Laser and Directed Energy Weapons (DEWs) Thread
    For EMWs(something like Railgun),
    Indian Navy has planned some new techs in next 15 years which includes railguns and railguns can be used as an ASAT asset.
    India's navy wants 100 technologies by 2031 including railguns, hypersonic weapons and lasers
    I'm kicking it off with a fresh article from The Diplomat Magazine. :)
    @HariPrasad-1 @LETHALFORCE @sayareakd
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    Image Credit: REUTERS/Indian Defence Research and Development Organisation/DRDO/Handout
    India's Anti-Satellite Weapons
    Threats From China’s Anti-Satellite (ASAT) Program
    Does India Really Have an ASAT Weapons Capability?
    The Case for ASAT Weapons Demonstration
     
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    From Wikipedia,
    From references:
    http://www.defencenow.com/news/343/...egration-with-agni-iii-ballistic-missile.html
     
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    A few slides regarding developments/plans in this field, from a DRDO presentation by former chairman VK Saraswat;

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    When asked about the space security of protecting the satellite, Avinash chander said that it has many dimension. One is satellite carrying decoy to decept incoming satellite killer. Another is smart satellite which will change the direction while seeing killer warhead coming in.

    Another dimension is capability exist in the form of deterrence. He said that that capability exists.
     
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    I agree with The Diplomat's article. We must try at least a flyby. :)
    Off topic:
    We're going by launch 22 SATs in a single shot on 22nd June. :D
     
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    Please elaborate. ..............................................
     
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    Any IRBM has the potential to be used as an anti satellite weapon


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    We have all the building block for ASAT, its high time that should test it. Hope Modi give green signal to DRDO to test it. Just to show off Indian capabilities.
     
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    I meant not directly shooting satellite but making the projectile or missile fly from very near.
    This will demonstrate our capability without creating debris.
    No debris means no international objections and pressure. Other suggestion is soft kill which I don't think possible before 2025(operationalization of DEWs Systems).
     
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    Others method is to put another satellite in the same orbit as that of target to make them collide and destroy each other.
     
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    These methods are doe LEO satellites most military satellites are GEO


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    Even better idea is to send RLV with cargo bay and robotic arm to capture satellite and bring it back.......
     
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    i have a idea
    how about packing in nano satellites into a regular communication /remote sensing satellite.
    if we need to knock out a satellite, the mother satellite will release the nano satellite killer which will be then maneuvered to close proximity of the target ie on to a collision course with the target.
    in fact the nano killers can be pre-programmed with the necessary coordinates and flight path of prospective enemy satellites within its designated area of operation .

    so no need of contact with the ground stations except for the release command which can be easily hidden with the usual commands.
    nobody will be wise as to who did it and blame can be put on the space debris.

    especially good for covert satellite kills.
     
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    indian has the capability to design killer nano bots(satellites).
    isro has made ion thrusters , we just need to miniaturize them.
    high performance lithium ion batteries we need to work more on this.
    and a lot of coding and trajectory calculations, we r great in this.

    size of the killer nano bots(satellites) will be less than a football, and depending on our R&D skill equal to the size of a tennis ball.
    titanium or tungsten alloys can be used to increase the density and the kinetic energy plus gravity will ensure a 100% kill probability on successful hit/impact.

    plus killer nano bots(satellites) can be shaped like any regular space debris , aerodynamics is not a concern in space.

    also nobody will be wise to the fact as visual appearance / behavior will be like any space debris.
     
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    Easy to say, but only can be done but high end technologies (beyond the Japan).
    Otherwise, US, Russia and China would have done it before.
    BTW, ISRO has a project for Robotic Space Mission to demonstrate human spaceflight before sending humans in space.
    So, it could give us some experience to handle robots at least.
     
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    Eklavya is the possible name. Thanks Tarun.
     
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    Good ideas. I think we need to improve upon it though. Possible shortcomings:-
    • AFAIK, space debris is parked in a separate orbit. So I don't think your debris collision theory will sell. Therefore the minute we initiate this operation, Chinese will realize something is amiss.
    • Ground stations would need to send tracking data of target satellite to the nano satellite so that it knows where to go. Without that, its incredibly difficult. Understand that these objects are flying at speeds of the order of 7km/s. Not sure if the mother satellite could provide a track.
    I think we could use your idea in conjunction with one of mine:-
    We could use space based "mirrors" as an array. These could redirect solar radiation in the infra-red spectrum to heat up and destroy any enemy satellite that is in a fixed orbit. We could mount these on our usual satellites clandestinely.

    But here we are taking about space age weapons, everything comes into play:-
    • Ground based jammers, dazzlers and other soft-kill measures.
    • Anti satellite missiles, Railguns, DEW and other hard-kill measures.
    • Surge launch capacity using ballistic missiles, reusable SSTO spacecraft and reusable rockets.
    • High altitude N-EMP.
    • Ground-based telemetry and tracking stations will be targeted.
    • Future satellites of all countries will carry countermeasures on-board as space weapons become more widespread and apparent.
    • And the swarm tactics using nano satellites that you suggested.
    • And maybe the space based DEW array I suggested.
    Like all other dimensions of war, space warfare is going to be a race where national will, economy, ingenuity and experience will play a commanding role.

    But before all that, that article @Indx TechStyle posted is right. We need to demonstrate ASAT capability before an exclusive club forms and we are locked out of it again. This time however, we should have some relief, as US might not try to deny us a chance at space weapons, or it would not have any ally in that exclusive club of US, Russia and China. The only problem is that such tests cannot be clandestine (unless we get creative).


    IMHO, space war could go in two completely separate directions in the future:-
    1. We see a trend where we tend to make bigger and bigger satellites (due to the need to incorporate countermeasures on-board). Much like the current trend in navies to build large capital ships.
    2. Swarm tactics-based nano satellites. This will require immense advances in electronics miniaturization and networking.
    In all this, private satellites would be like merchant ships. This looks much like modern naval warfare.
     
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    i read it somewhere cant recall..it said spraying paints overs the satellite ..not ordinary paint .a special type of paint which absorb incoming sunrays and heats up the satelllite,thus destroying it silently without any trace.

    or a simple paint sprayed over solar panel will turn satellite useless.

    just flying a paint box near the sat and spraying the paint.. no debris created..

    or in future we can set up a big paint tank in orbit that can alter its path and can shoot the special paint on any sat of our liking.. he he.. it will also serve as deterence..
     
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    No need to be clandestine about it.
    Chinese did it twice openly. USA had to suck it up. We must simply explode few satellites.

    I am against debris in space but to teach chinese a lesson it is imperative that we go reckless.

    The only problem of our strategic program historically has been that we are way too practical and restrained.

    At least now with this can we please be a little reckless.:devil::devil:

    Then we can organize a world congregation towards peaceful use of space .:blah:
     

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