Indian Woman for Combat Duties

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  1. Krusty

    Krusty Senior Member Senior Member

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    Women need to be mobilised only when there is an all out war and resources (human) are scare. When a country has to throw everything it has got at the enemy, women are called upon. Israel isn't a large nation so the women have to be drafted to maintain the strength of forces that can be mobilised. Similarly, it is a fight for survival for the Kurds. They don't have the luxury of not drafting women.

    Btw have you noticed the fertility rate of Israeli women? The average Israeli woman has three babies in her lifetime... why do you think this is?
     
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    I think this is the sum of the matter. So what is the best use of population in Indian context. We are going to be the most populous nation on earth in a matter of few years. That means we shall not have shortage of fighting men in the coming decades.

    But the nature of warfare will keep changing . It will be more technical with time. That will require more knowledgeable cadre. Thus we must incorporated women too in these roles where such technical capacity is required .

    Where we need raw physical force we must stick with males. Behind the enemy lines survival has much to do with sheer physical stamina .

    It's shouldn't be about what women are capable of but rather what women can deliver better , where and how??

    For example medical and IT are two areas where women have been very effective while being comfortable.
    First get more women into police and paramilitaries. Get them into army engineering , medical corps as well as signal and strategic forces.

    Active combat duty must be left for those with highest physical and mental endurance. For women it is question that can be settled later down the road. We have no such desperation as Israel.
    And army is not the right place to fight gender battle.
     
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  3. Kay

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    You are underestimating what women can deliver. Even in medical and IT where you mention that women can deliver as good as men, they had faced similar resistance. I am not advocating lowering of criterion or quotas, but equal criterion to let the best individuals in. We are not in a hurry, but we need to start sometime.
    It's better we allow women to choose their career choices than dictate them what they can and cannot do. Islamic nations do that and they are not the paragon of success.
    If any individual meets the selection criterion, they should not be turned down because of our traditional idea of gender roles.
     
  4. Krusty

    Krusty Senior Member Senior Member

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    Yes, but why dwell on combat duties alone? There are millions of fields where they can go, but won't..

    After going through the history of third wave feminists and their narratives, I am inclined to believe they are acting like kids, like if one kid wants a toy which his/Her Friend has got, the kid will cry/whine/make a scene till the toy is procured, once it's possessed, the kid will lose interest in it in a matter of hours and toss it aside and will whine for a next toy that the kid sets its eyes on.

    Indo not understand why this much talk is going on about just combat roles when they have millions of fields to choose from? I can only say they feel empowered if that have that choice in their list. Nothing more.

    Women can very well apply for CDS and are eligible For OTA.

    How many actually make an effort in that direction as a percentage compared to males who apply for the same? I am not talking about the ones who passed. I am talking about the ones who genuinely think they want to make an attempt. I know lots of males who wanted to join the forces. I am yet to see a woman who wanted nothing more than a career in the military.

    I'm not saying there aren't any, but the actual percentage is dismal. And it only leads me to believe this call for women in combat role by feminists and 'progressives' is nothing more than an attempt to stroke their egos.
     
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  5. Kay

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    There are all kinds of ideologies in US - feminists, liberals, progressives, conservatives, white supremacists and so on. We can get entangled in their ideologies, political landscape and divisions or decide for ourselves what's best for us.
     
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    Nope in IT or medical challenges were artificial in battle field they are real.
    A soldier has to lift more weight , must run faster , must endure longer. These are not glass wall created to stop women but real requirements.

    If we had dearth of men we could lower the standard but we have an overwhelming men population. That means that even for men we are only going to raise standards with time .how will women keep up there if a niche is not created for them??

    I'm not disputing that women can deliver but at what cost?? If a woman has to train for hours just to gain the weight lifting capacity that a man naturally posses than I am calling it waste of both time and resources.

    They will need different training , different doctrine. Different protocols . It will take huge expenses and for what.
     
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    One thing we do agree is that there will not be a lowering of standards and there will be equal standards for everyone.
    Motivated people train hard. Sylvester Stallone was a frail kid once. But let's agree to disagree on this for now.
     
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    spikey360 Crusader Senior Member

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    Buddy, you have touched the very heart of the matter!
     
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    What is the failure rate difference between men and women?
     
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    Optimization of resources is something which falls on deaf ears in politically correct world.

    If 100/1000 men clear, while 1/1000 women clears the same requirement. Training extra 99 women to fail is waste of resources in any country (specially if poor)!!
     
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    This Government is slowly pulling itself into the politically correct trap. Should this continue, we shall see a repeat of 2004.
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    More or less same, In service as well as academy ..

     
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    Source?

    Also, do you have information on standards? Since combat roles are not opened for women, I do not expect data from there. But has army given any report in this regard by testing women units?
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Their are no such sources available on open net as there is no need for such, their are no specific unit for woman either, These woman are from AMC, Signals and AD and goes through same routine as other officers do in their service time ..

     
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    I will agree with your feminist drivel the day female athletes start to compete against their male counterparts on equal footing on a regular basis!!Until that happens, all this talk about 'girl power' is nothing more than just a steaming pile of horse dung.Oh and before posting references like that of Stalone, please brush up your knowledge of human physiology.
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    I will add to this:

    Source: http://www.dulcimermedicalcenter.org/documents/mans_mind4_040505.pdf
    I don't think he has been smoking anything, but if the attacks go personal, the attacker will go too.
     
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    ezsasa Senior Member Senior Member

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    Interestingly I had an argument With my mother and sister on colour of a car.

    Car in question is Maruti ritz genus model, which had come in only one colour. I say it is green and both of them say there is a blue in it. Ultimately arrived at the conclusion that men and women see colours differently.
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    Yes, women have better vision w.r.t. colour. Also, speaking of pilots, having a wider angle of vision might actually help.
     
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    The point is simple. The armed forces have mandated minimum requirements that the candidates must fulfill before they can be recruited into the armed forces. Those who fullfill these requirements and clear all the tests and tasks designed to test their eligibility, should be taken in- regardless of whether they are male, female or transgender.

    Lowering of standards should not be discussed or encouraged.
     
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    First batch of three female fighter pilots commissioned

    Wait is over! This December, Indian Air Force to commission 3 women fighter pilots, may fly Sukhoi

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    Women/men joining the flying branch of the Indian Air Force:

    • Step 1: Clear AFCAT. Mathematics and Physics are a must upto the higher secondary level.
    • Step 2: AFSB:
      • AFSB Personality Test.
      • AFSB Pilot Aptitude Battery Test (must clear in first shot). Recommended playing a lot of video games requiring fast responses.
    • Step 3: Merit List.
    • Step 4: Medicals.
    • Step 5: Train at AFA.
    • Step 6: Trifurcation point for specialization in fighter (fixed-wing), transport (fixed-wing) or helicopter (rotary-wing).



    (Paraphrased so as not to do a complete copy-paste).


    Source: Jayant Kumar, Flight Cadet at Indian Air Force (2017-present)

    N.B.: There was no mention of exception to training or merit made based on gender. While it is true that the Indian Army has a standard and a reduced standard while hiring regular infantry soldiers based on ethnicity, the Indian Air Force cannot afford to cut corners for airmen and airwomen in charge of aircraft.
     
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