Firstly you need to understand that TEJAS IS A FIGHTER AIRCRAFT...It cannot be air superiority or medium range but within its range its a deadly mean machine and with range and payload enhanced in mk2 its gonna be more deadly....
It is not as simple as that. If a Maruti 800 hits you at 60 Kmph or if BMW M5 hits you at the same speed won't make a difference in the outcome. And both are cars too.
Within its range, it can't hit at aircraft that operate outside its range. That is a huge difference. The LCA Mk2 is not going to be any more deadly than Mirage-2000 already is. And we have had M-2000 for decades now.
2016-2018-2019 First squad thats 21 aircraft as you said then 20 per year which takes it to 2025 for full deployment true.. and we are looking at FGFA entering services by 2020-2022 so by 2025 we will be having FGFA is good numbers with us....
You are confused by the dates.
By 2019 we will have ~40 Rafale. By 2020 we will have 60. By 2023 all will be inducted. FGFA is very far away in comparison. IOC is in 2022, meaning first squadron will be built only by 2023 at max. Squadron induction will be at that time. Rafale will predate the FGFA by at least 5 years.
Correct by the time Rafale will be produced fully AMCA will be there...
That's where Rafale experience will benefit AMCA. Rafale's production facilities and manpower will give way to AMCA.
We are having plan to have entire fleet based on AMCA FGFA SUKHOI by 2035 (u said 2060 when no 4th gen will be there)then wats the ful of having a so costly 4th gen aircraft when we are gonna have two of 5th gen one 4th gen awesome aircraft MKI....
MKI will start getting phased out by 2040 with a possible FGFA replacement. Rafale will predate the MKI by 17 years, so there is still time for it. LCA's phase out should be around 2050 in comparison because it is not being built for 8000 hours. Its lifetime should be 25 years, like Mirage-2000, Mig-29 and MKI.
IF we use half of the money on MK1 and MK2 then we will have far larger fleet by 2025 and mk2 will fit between the role of AMCA and MK1 but Rafale will be overshadowed by AMCA.......
It's not about money but capability. Even 10000 LCA is worthless against China. And we don't need too many LCAs anyway. Total planned is 178. Navy is the most likely to go for more. IAF will instead have to make place for both FGFA and AMCA by then.
FYI 44 squads is allowed i confirmed it from an friend in defense services..... min of 39.5 you said 42 somewhere just recheck and let me now....
Tell him he is wrong. It is 42 max. 45 is what IAF wants, but have settles for 42. There is no 44.
..:: India Strategic ::. Air Force: IAF Transformation Maturing with New Aircraft, More Squadrons
The Air Chief confirmed that the Government had finally approved 42 combat squadrons for the IAF,
Tell him to go argue with the Air Chief.
no production line in first year will be giving yo that a huge number..... therefore 20 per years from beginning is a myth.....
The production line should start with 6 in the first year and expanded to 20 the next year. It's fine because I have considered first squadron in 2019, that's two years later. So, I haven't considered 20 in just the first year. Rafale from France will take 3 years for full delivery and HAL will take one more year. Even if it slips by one year, I have considered that.
According to the contract, first 18 Rafales are supposed to be delivered in 3 years and the first Indian Rafale squadron delivered in 4 years after signing the contract.
France has earmarked all Rafales from 2017 to 2019 for export. ALA is taking the last 5 Rafales for this year and will not be taking new deliveries until 2020. The remaining time, Dassault will make the jets for India and Qatar.
you cannot have all air superiority a/c you hve to maintain a balance among them.... when we say we are replacing migs by refale its foolish....
We are currently replacing Mig-21 with MKI. We will be replacing Mig-27 with Rafale. The remaining Mig-21s with LCA. There are lesser Mig-27s than Rafales, so Rafales will continue adding capability until all 9 squadrons are inducted.
i believe u will agree that tejas is better than migs even today and it fits the role migs did .....
And that's exactly what it is. It is better than Mig-21 in almost everything except acceleration and climb. So, saying Rafale is as good as LCA Mk2 is wrong. Rafale thoroughly trounces both LCA and Mig-21 in practically every parameter.
so lets replace migs with tejas only.... mk1+mk2......
Yes, 6 Bison squadrons will ultimately be replaced by 6 Tejas squadrons. The last two orders of the MKI will be replacing 80 Mig-21s. So, around 200 Mig-21 replacement has already been planned. The remaining are Mig-27s which Rafale will replace. There are around 80 in service.
We are not Pakistan, to replace jets based on incremental superiority. We are aiming to be like US, Russia and China, aiming to replace old jets with jets that have overwhelming superiority. Basically Pakistan is replacing one low end aircraft with another low end aircraft. USAF will replace all low end aircraft with high end aircraft. China is doing the same. However we currently cannot afford such an expensive replacement program, that's why 6 low end squadrons will replace 6 older low end squadrons.
we all want our pilots to return back home... then why is the world designing lca's?
Nobody is designing LCAs. All new aircraft are MCA and HCA. Even Gripen E/F is a MCA, not LCA. It is longer, bigger and heavier than LCA Mk2 will ever be.
AMCA, KFX, TFX, J-31, F-35 etc are all MCA. PAKFA and J-20 are HCA.
Only JF-17, F/A-50 and Tejas are LCA. And these jets are being built in Pakistan, Korea and India which have fledgling aerospace industries. And none of them are really new development, all go back to the '90s.
who is asking to place then china centric.... they will be lethal against pakis....
jf17 thunder is even older design older avionics.....
You don't get it. As of today we are placing all our LCA squadrons in Tamil Nadu, that's not even against Pakistan. The home base will be Sulur and Thanjavur will be the second base, both in TN.
but you didnt answer a question i asked earlier how are we filling the numbers lost or retired we will be down to 30 squad soon????
remember number game?alone rafale cant do that
I had posted that two or three times before, by even providing the break up of current squadrons and future squadrons.
What you had posted was mere speculation.
So, here's a simple list.
New:
MKI = 14 squadrons
Rafale = 6 squadrons
LCA = 6 squadrons = 2 Mk1 + 4 Mk2.
Old:
Mig-29 = 3 squadrons
M-2000 = 2.5 squadrons
Jaguar = 6 squadrons
Total = 37.5 squadrons
These are "almost" guaranteed by 2022, subject to LCA Mk2 being a success and Rafale being ordered.
As for speculation, there are four possibilities for the remaining 4.5 squadrons.
1. One PAKFA squadron ordered direct from Russia, as we had done with Su-30 in 1996.
2. Early adoption of Rafale options with assembly in India, which takes 3-6 months depending on the kits.
3. Retain some of the Mig-27s until 2022. The original phase out period for Mig-27UPG was 2025, that's 2 squadrons or 40 jets.
4. Additional order of 2 MKI squadrons from Russia. Production ends in 2019, but with FGFA delay the MKI production line can work on 40 more jets before 2022 apart from attrition reserves of 2 jets.
So a combination of these is likely. 3 is most likely and 1 is least likely.
Of course us being Indians, the 2022 date might be missed and achieved only in 2025 with the adoption of 3 extra Rafale squadrons and 2 FGFA squadrons. It means the possibilities from 1 to 4 may never happen.
As for additional LCA orders by 2022, it is not likely since the production of LCA Mk2 would give way for naval Mk2. It may be possible after 2022. But 6 squadrons is the best possible because HAL will make 16 jets only from next year. And Mk1 production itself may go on until 2017 (for last jet to be delivered). So, it will take 5-6 years for the remaining 83 Mk2 jets, considering navy also wants 8 Mk1s and that the Mk2 itself will not be delayed. HAL is yet to deliver the first SP-1 and it is already 2014.
