Indian Tank Ammunition Scenario

[Bornubus]

HE and TB both create heat and pressure.TB create less pressure and heat than HE but for more duaration making it more deadly than HE.

Rashtriya Rifles uses Russian RPO A in kashmir,i think there are TB munitions for Pinaka as well.

This round will penetrate the armor of tanks and lightly arm vehicles,fortification and building. A very painful death for jihadis and Paki's in case of war,with their skin and nails melt before their eyes,Dojakh ki Aag (Hellfire)

 

[Chinmoy]

Well as far as what @Kunal Biswas has said, here is the official data.

http://vatsrohit.blogspot.in/2013/11/indian-tank-ammunition-scenario-ke.html

Another unofficial data of 120mm tungsten round is as.
Indian 120mm tungsten 650mm at 2km.

Here is the link for reference.

http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/128208-modern-gun-penetration-values/

 

[warrior monk]

Well as far as what @Kunal Biswas has said, here is the official data.
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http://vatsrohit.blogspot.in/2013/11/indian-tank-ammunition-scenario-ke.html

Another unofficial data of 120mm tungsten round is as.
Indian 120mm tungsten 650mm at 2km.

Here is the link for reference.

http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/128208-modern-gun-penetration-values/

I don't think we can fire these 125 mm APFSDS from Arjun's 120 mm gun , hey I may be wrong . I have noticed that DU rounds have the highest penetration and then tungsten rounds we should make DU rounds . Pakis have Nazia DU rounds we should also have DU rounds . We have 12 times more Uranium than Pakis we can make a whole lot of DU rounds.
We are also going to get 40000+ 3rd gen and 4th gen ATGMs so Paki tanks are toast anyway.

 

[Chinmoy]

I don't think we can fire these 125 mm APFSDS from Arjun's 120 mm gun , hey I may be wrong . I have noticed that DU rounds have the highest penetration and then tungsten rounds we should make DU rounds . Pakis have Nazia DU rounds we should also have DU rounds . We have 12 times more Uranium than Pakis we can make a whole lot of DU rounds.
We are also going to get 40000+ 3rd gen and 4th gen ATGMs so Paki tanks are toast anyway.

We are already making 120mm rounds. Look at the 2nd link. Its stated that the penetration for 120mm rounds is that of 600mm opposed to 500 of that 125mm. I don't think India would make DU rounds as these does pollute the warfield a lot. But again, who knows

 

[warrior monk]

We are already making 120mm rounds. Look at the 2nd link. Its stated that the penetration for 120mm rounds is that of 600mm opposed to 500 of that 125mm. I don't think India would make DU rounds as these does pollute the warfield a lot. But again, who knows

Pakis only deserve DU rounds plus the battle will be inside Paki land so it shouldn't be any problem for us

 

[Chinmoy]

As about the second link, I too don't believe in it. But as far as the first link is concerned, let me make it more easy for you as it seems that you had not read it properly.

DRDO 125mm Mk-2
Indian Army Designation - Not Known


When the DRDO Mk-1 125mm round went into production in 1997, it was already working on Mk-2 version of the round. This it was doing without any GSQR for such a product. With TOT for 125mm round leading to suspension of production of DRDO Mk-1/AMK-340, IA was not interested in DRDO Mk-2 round.
However, DRDO persisted with the development and when ground was literally pulled from below the feet of Army due to IMI blacklisting; this became the only recourse available.
The CAG Report No.24 of 2011-12 (Defense Services) explains the development of DRDO Mk-2 round:
“Ministry of Defence, Department of Defence Research and Development (DDRD) in May 1996 sanctioned the above project at a cost of INR 2.30 crore to be completed by May 1998. It was sanctioned by DRDO without GSQR from Army HQ. The project after four revisions of probable date of completion (PDC) and three cost revisions, was closed in December 2004 after an expenditure INR 7.27 crore. The ammunition developed by the Laboratory did not meet the Users’ requirement as Users expressed an apprehension as to whether the trials conducted for MK-II ammunition in the absence of GSQR for this ammunition would qualify as user trials. To resolve the issue, the ammunition was subjected to Accelerated User Cum Reliability Trials (AUCRT) in August 2007 which again proved to be unsatisfactory. Ministry of Defence in its reply in February 2011 stated that trials with 30 rounds of improved ammunition, have been successfully completed in May 2010 and Army HQ has given go ahead for accelerated user trials with 500 rounds of the improved ammunition. Ministry’s reply should be viewed in the background of the fact that even after a lapse of 15 years the ammunition is yet to be inducted. Such ammunition is still being imported by Army.”
This ammunition is expected to go into production in 2015.



Source: http://trishul-trident.blogspot.in/

One measure of technological progress made by DRDO in development of 125mm APFSDS is the comparison of L Ratio of DRDO MK-1 and MK-2 round – this parameter was 14:1 for earlier round while the L Ratio of Mk-2 is 20:1.The picture above shows the comparative parameters for the Mk-1 and Mk-2 125mm rounds.
DRDO 120mm Mk-T-2
DRDO has also developed the Mk-2 version of its earlier 120mm round for Arjun tank.

 

[Chinmoy]

Well........... in what I have posted, it has been written as its production would start in 2015 and its 2016 now. Anyway no where it has been written that it has not been developed. I hope there is certain difference between development and production. But again for your ease of information here is an excerpt from DRDO report to lss committee.

As we know that technologically advanced countries do not part their critical
technologies with developing countries. These countries offer only “Buy” category
of systems to countries, like India. Therefore, we have to develop each system, sub-system, component ab-initio including infrastructure and testing facilities at our places. DRDO has made enormous efforts to bring out high level of self reliance in defence technologies. The following are some of the major products/systems indigenously developed by DRDO, which has resulted in substantial decrease in import of defence systems.


Armaments
•
105mm FSAPDS ammunition Vijayanta and T-55 (UG) MBTs
•
105mm Indian Field Gun (IFG) & family of ammunition
•
105mm Light Field Gun (LFG)
•
120mm FSAPDS MK I ammunition for Arjun Tank
•
120mm HESH ammunition for Arjun Tank
•
120mm Main Armament System - MBT Arjun
•
122mm Grad Rocket for BM-21 MBRL
•
125mm FSAPDS MK I ammunition for T-72/T-90 Tanks
•
125mm FSAPDS MK-1 KE Ammunition for T-72 MBT
•
125mm FSAPDS MK-II Ammn for T-72 tank

I could post the whole PDF if mods do allow me to.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Not captured T-59 but a decommissioned T-55 tank, The result will be much worst for a T-72M1 or derivatives which have sensors on turret sides and top ..

Against heavy concrete wall ..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Not captured T-59 but a decommissioned T-55 tank, The result will be much worst for a T-72M1 or derivatives which have sensors on turret sides and top ..

Against heavy concrete wall ..

 

[Bornubus]

They will never test against a Captured T 59 since it is a war trophy and earned by regiments.


There are enough T 55 for testing purpose.

 

[Anikastha]

Dont know whether its right place gor these pics...
Found this booklet in our library.
@Kunal Biswas @Bornubus @Indx TechStyle
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[lcafanboy]

India to produce Mango shells for T-90 tanks

Tecmash, a Rostec group company and Russia's largest manufacturer of ammunition, has completed the transfer of the main part of the equipment needed for licensed production of the Mango shells for T-90 tanks in India, Tecmash Chief Executive Sergey Rusakov told TASS on Mar. 15.

Tecmash has also finished training Indian specialists for the production of the Mango shell in the country, Rusakov said.

Mango shells are feathered armour-piercing projectiles for 125 mm calibre tank guns. Production of the shells was launched in the USSR in 1983. They were put into service in 1986.

The contract for the licensed production of Mango shells in India was signed in 2014.




https://in.rbth.com/defence/2017/03/15/india-to-produce-mango-shells-for-t-90-tanks_720066

 

[Mikesingh]

WTF is it called a 'Mango' shell for?

 

[Bornubus]

3BM42 "Mango" an obsolete Tank ammo with piss poor Penetration to defeat the Armor of modern Tanks.


Pakis and Chinese are equipped with much better Ammo including DU Round Nazia 1 and 2 (600 mm) and Israeli Clones

 

[su35]

can t 90 use local produce ammo? can any share the list of ammo used by Indian army ?

 

[Bornubus]

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[Shaitan]

It's a waste of time. IA needs to buckle down work extensively with industry, because at this point, these mangos are junk.

 

[The Last Stand]

Too little too late, I'm afraid.

3BM42 is just disappointing.

 

[Krusty]

@Kunal Biswas @Bornubus

Sir, Are tanks and ammo used by IA the so called 'monkey models'? Inferior in every way to what the Russians locally produce for themselves? I have read that most of what is/was sold to Iraq/Syria/eastern bloc countries are monkey models and that's one of the reasons why Iraqi armor fared so poorly against western armor.

Does India fall into the same category or do we have checks in place for us to get equipment on par with what Russian army uses?i would specifically like to know about our t-90 and t-72 and the ammo they use..

 

[sayareakd]

WTF is it called a 'Mango' shell for?

To fool mango people...................