Indian T-90S a sub-standard tank ?

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  1. p2prada

    p2prada Stars and Ambassadors Stars and Ambassadors

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    The Army is not serious about Arjun. Why would they want DRDO to eat up R&D funds that may very well be spent on FMBT and T-90 instead?

    The Arjun is only trying to be what the T-90 already is. The point of the Mk2 is to reduce design and production problems as much as possible and help DRDO develop technologies that can be used on T-90 and FMBT instead, technologies that are already being offered by the west. DRDO has supposedly already identified problems in the Mk2 which will be fixed on Mk3 in due course of time. DRDO can only hope, with fingers crossed, that the Army will decide to order a few more before shutting down the program.

    If we are looking at the Arjun Mk2 and Mk3 to be some kind of a super tank then we are solely mistaken.
     
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  3. Adux

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    The Russian backstab

    The Army is a bunch of Sasha loving vodka drinking traitors
    Livefist
     
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    All the while Russians are NOT buying anymore T-90's. Indians and their Russian/Iran love is so demeaning to true patriots.
     
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    P2P and Damian, I guess not everyone agrees with your assertion that weight based classification is not used anymore? If this report is to be believed, you guys are badly misinformed.

    Looks like the Russians have mastered the art of business very well. A very good transition into the world of capitalist profiteering. All that they care about is profits, unlike the USSR, that cared a lot more about goodwill.

    Let water find its own level!

    T-90 and variants thereof have reached the end of their development life cycle.
    Arjun family, no matter whatever marks they put, is a legacy system.

    Let's get on with the FMBT, IMO.

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    Thread exists. Could be merged later after this gets exposure.

    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-army/9558-arjun-mbt.html
     
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    I am Pro-Russia and even Pro-Iran. However, Time has changed. This is the time, We should improve relation with Israel and US. We need them more than they need us. It's high time, we change our priorities and realise ground realities. We are not living in 70's but 2012. I personally feel, we lost two decades due to our old policy "Take everyone". It won't work. Today, we have so many friends but reliable very few. What Iran will do in case of War against Pak ? They will side with Pak like they did in 65 and 71. Similarly, Russia has started improving relation with Pak and has good relation with China too and not to forget our Russians imports are declining. More it will decline, More distance! All Russian Projects are delayed and US delivers on time!
     
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    IMI is banned, It puts nails on many Indian Indigenous projects..

    MOD is looking at Russian for obvious..
     
  8. Ray

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    Weight , and even dimensions, matters since it affects bridge classification on either side of the border.
     
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    How is that a backstab? Obviously Russians would want to sell their products, and they seem to be good salesmen. If India/DRDO cannot compete, it's no use blaming the competition. Improve yourselves or die off.....that's a basic fact of life.
     
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    There are known knowns; there are things we know we know.
    We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know.
    But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know.

    We have to wait and see.

    This news report could also be motivated.

    Or, it could be true too!
     
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    Known_Unknown Devil's Advocate Stars and Ambassadors

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    That's exactly why speculation about potential motives is fruitless. Unfortunately, "journalists" like Mr. Aroor blur the line between journalism and blogging when they mix both but are faithful to neither.
     
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    ^^ True.

    Mr. Aroor has not taken any sides and he refers to 'my sources,' i.e. his sources. He is fairly accurate though. He is probably playing it safe due to lack of concrete information.

    I think the Indian Army is doing a great job thinking about the FMBT. IMI is out, thanks to their bribery. IMI has a wealth of knowledge on tank making. The Russians know better; why offer the bribe, if the same money can be spent on a waiver for future upgrades? Stay on the correct side of the law, get your business, kill the competition.
     
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    My two cents , this time stay away from T-90s .
    We used a lot Russian tanks , enough now .
    Switch to our own products + try some western tanks also .
     
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    Funny thing is, the Indian Army continues to insist on a massive Armoured Corps even though in the nuclear overhang between India and Pak, these tanks will be nothing but excellent ovens for the javans to get cooked in when Pakis get jittery and drop tactical nukes on advancing Indian tank formations.

    Since we know a massive tank invasion of Pakistan is nothing but a fantasy in this brave new world, the thinking of the Army stragetists is a bit puzzling to say the least. What we should rather focus our energies on is a massive covert intelligence program focussed on obtaining as much information as possible on Paki nuclear assets, and developing sleeper cells targeting specific high ranking individuals of terrorist groups, ISI and the Army who sponsor terrorist attacks in India.
     
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    T90 series is one of the best in world that's for sure but ARMY must accept Arjun-II and encourage DRDO rather asking them to produce FMBT directly without any experience. It will also increase local job in this slow economy and eventually make our industries strong.
     
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    You need to seriously shut up. T-90 is one of the best. what humbug.Have you seen the Georgian War?
     
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    IMI getting banned has a lot of benefits for the Russian arms lobby in India, and they put all Indian projects at risks. And we have idiots over here still supporting Russia of some USSR hangover.
     
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    I am asking this with all the respect and humility, can you please remove your avatar of that disgusting human being.

    Especially when you are asking for better relations with Israel and US.

    And I agree with the rest of your post, there is a Russian move towards china.
     
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    I can understand, you have a point. DONE!!
     
  20. The Messiah

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    There are no friends in geopolitics.

    What about the nuke deal backtstab by usa ?

    blame the army rather than russia...it was our choice.
     
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    Backstab? You mean they tried and they failed, because we dont agree to play by their rules and stop our Thorium reactors,

    How does USA backstab equals to Russian Backstab? I thought Russia had a special place, why are we trying to connect to both issues and countries, when they arent connectable.
    It is not Army's choice, it is the choice of Russian moles in the Army and Indian establishment. It is called placing the right people at the right place.
     

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