Indian Special Forces (archived)

[HarshBardhan]

Garuds

MARCOS

 

[aditya g]

Khanna saab, my comments;

Reg Opsec

It's a tricky one. Major Rohit Suri was in "covert/psuedo" ops for years in Kashmir .... we know what that means. And boom here he is on prime time, clean shaven and all, being awarded by the President himself. He is compromised but somewhere SF would have taken the call and agreed to this.

Unfortunately it was out politicians such as Kejriwal himself who demanded proof. So perhaps this was necessary. Do you know any other country where this happens?

Secondly, We are dealing with an adversary who is counted not only by kinetic actions, but also public bezzati. Bringing out the SF operators in open is necessary to increase public credibility and memory of the operation.

Lastly, once the boys have come on live for the investiture ceremony, and names announced on citations and award lists there is not much left to hide sadly.

Yea I wouldnt be suprised either. Political expediency has ensured Opsec has gone out the window.

Do you know any other country (maybe except Russia or china) where Operational SOF soldiers go on TV/ Documentaries to discuss operations?

I have spoken to enough people in the middle ranks to know there is unease.

And do you really think the Army/senior officers have a a choice? And how do you know they have no problem with it?

SS was very different from other publicly known Trans-LC raids. I am reading Nitin Gokhale's book nowadays where he elaborates why. So wont go into that.

However, please note that this will go on for months and years - just like we keep hearing about 26/11 and post incident CCS meetings even now. Khukri was great, so was Jaffna Univ raid, Mandhol raid etc - its unfair to compare them.

Most of the details we know today are from the 4SF party which struck Leepa Valley. We barely know anything about the 9SF side of the story. Not to mention the IAF contribution (Heron) and Bihar Regiment Ghataks. We know the latter were involved but exactly how?

Overall there is a lot more to know and I am looking forward to every documentary, interview and article that comes up.

Even if this op is discussed threadbare, there are countless other ops we will never hear about.

Ahem. Unique Operation? lol Son Op Kukhri was a unique operation. The only thing different on this operation from other cross border raids was the following

1. Spread over a larger geographical footprint
2. Op Overwatch was a Command level and not theater level.
3. Every politican, newspaper, in this country has gone on about this for months now. We sound like a stupid bananan republic now.

its over. lets move on.

Yawn. Spin it how you want. The Op got over along time ago. It was reported on. No reason justifiable to put active soldiers infront of a camera. We are seeing resurgence of "new media consumption" because Gujarat election is around the corner. and we will see it again before 2019.

Ironcially the myanmar raid gets less coverage even though that was avenging a far greater loss to our army. Wait no political mileage in that.


Anyways this is OT. lets move on

 

[Doc Mozart]

Garud Commando Force's QRT vehicle revealed - brace yourself - it's the Mahindra Rakshak ....

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Garud Commando Force's QRT vehicle revealed - brace yourself - it's the Mahindra Rakshak ....

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Any updates on the new TATA light armoured vehicle? imo it should see service in the IA, IAF as well as the JKP.

 

[Anikastha]

Any updates on the new TATA light armoured vehicle? imo it should see service in the IA, IAF as well as the JKP.

I doubt it.
Even tata kestral is still in pipe line. Don't know how many years does Army need to test equipment.

 

[Doc Mozart]

I doubt it.
Even tata kestral is still in pipe line. Don't know how many years does Army need to test equipment.

Both platforms were really good and certainly better than the stuff mahindra supplies. Just hope that they get a chance.

 

[Brahmaputra Mail 2]

We barely know anything about the 9SF side of the story.

It is there in the book.

 

[aditya g]

It is there in the book.

This book mostly talks about 4SF operation in Leepa Valley.

 

[IndiaRising]

Khanna saab, my comments;

Reg Opsec

It's a tricky one. Major Rohit Suri was in "covert/psuedo" ops for years in Kashmir .... we know what that means. And boom here he is on prime time, clean shaven and all, being awarded by the President himself. He is compromised but somewhere SF would have taken the call and agreed to this.

Unfortunately it was out politicians such as Kejriwal himself who demanded proof. So perhaps this was necessary. Do you know any other country where this happens?

Secondly, We are dealing with an adversary who is counted not only by kinetic actions, but also public bezzati. Bringing out the SF operators in open is necessary to increase public credibility and memory of the operation.

Lastly, once the boys have come on live for the investiture ceremony, and names announced on citations and award lists there is not much left to hide sadly.





SS was very different from other publicly known Trans-LC raids. I am reading Nitin Gokhale's book nowadays where he elaborates why. So wont go into that.

However, please note that this will go on for months and years - just like we keep hearing about 26/11 and post incident CCS meetings even now. Khukri was great, so was Jaffna Univ raid, Mandhol raid etc - its unfair to compare them.

Most of the details we know today are from the 4SF party which struck Leepa Valley. We barely know anything about the 9SF side of the story. Not to mention the IAF contribution (Heron) and Bihar Regiment Ghataks. We know the latter were involved but exactly how?

Overall there is a lot more to know and I am looking forward to every documentary, interview and article that comes up.

Even if this op is discussed threadbare, there are countless other ops we will never hear about.

the only people from 9 Para to be awarded were Major deepak kumar upadhyay and paratrooper abdul qayyum.

 

[Anikastha]

Both platforms were really good and certainly better than the stuff mahindra supplies. Just hope that they get a chance.

Those toys are perfect for us. But you know top leadership are looking for imported stuff for kickbacks.

 

[Indian Sniper.001]

Indian Army Abdul Qayum of 9 Para SF being awarded with the Shaurya Chakra for his role in the 2016 Surgical Strike in PoK.

 

[AMCA]

When paratroopers won enemy's respect:
https://m.timesofindia.com/city/cha...s-won-enemys-respect/articleshow/62060452.cms


SOURCE: TNN
When 120 Indian para commandos landed inside Pakistani territory in the Poonch sector of Jammu and Kashmir during the 1971 war, even the enemy had applauded the “excellent work by the boys” in a post-war flag meeting.
The men from 9 Para, a special-forces unit of the Army’s Parachute Regiment, had entered 15-to-20 kilometres deep into Pakistan and destroyed its artillery guns. Nearly 60 Pakistani troops were killed and those who fled their posts were court martialled. This first raid behind the enemy lines, which the future leaders of the army read about in military academies, forced the Pakistan army to raise a second line of defence for its artillery, changing its military doctrine.
Recalling the war, Colonel K D Pathak (retd), then a captain and second-in-command (2IC) of the raiding company, said: “During the night of December 13, 1971, my unit was assigned the task of destroying Pakistani artillery guns deployed near Mandhol village, 19 km southwest of Poonch. These six 122-milimetre Chinese guns of the Pakistani battery were creating trouble for our 93 and 120 infantry brigades. The 9 Para unit was then posted at Nangi Tekri (naked hill), 4,665 feet above the sea level, in the Poonch sector.”
Colonel Pathak, now 77, remembers how the company of six officers and 120 men led by Major C M Malhotra started around 5.30pm on “that cold night”. “We had to cross neck-deep water of the Poonch river to reach Mandhol, which we found to be deserted. After locating the guns, the party split into six groups, one to take down each target. In a fierce battle with the enemy, we blew up all its guns with 3-to-5 kg timer explosives powered by pencil cells and put inside the barrels. Many Pakistani soldiers were killed. Several fled. We lost only two men, while 20 were wounded,” said the veteran.
One of the founders of the Indian special forces, Colonel Pathak said most difficult task was to return safely with 20 wounded soldiers and the body of another. They finished it at 6.30am next day. The colonel who retired in 1992 said this surprise raid had shattered the local Pakistani line of defence. “It was precise, calculated, and successful operation inside the enemy territory,” he said. “After the war, even the military delegation from Pakistan praised the professionalism of the Indian troops who had carried out the operation.”
Sidelights of the operation
‘Pakistanis’ who held their post | Returning from the operation, the unit saw abandoned mules of the Pakistani army but when it tried to take these along, the loyal animal refused to move an inch
Earning Pakistani commendation | The success of 9 Para was recognised only when the Pakistan Army delegation narrated after the ceasefire what damage the unit had done at Mandhol Changed the art of war | Learning a lesson from this setback, the Pakistani army raised a second line of defence for its artillery guns, which meant changing its military doctrine

 

[AMCA]

Don't know if this was posted earlier or not.

NSG Anthem:

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

When paratroopers won enemy's respect:
https://m.timesofindia.com/city/cha...s-won-enemys-respect/articleshow/62060452.cms


SOURCE: TNN
When 120 Indian para commandos landed inside Pakistani territory in the Poonch sector of Jammu and Kashmir during the 1971 war, even the enemy had applauded the “excellent work by the boys” in a post-war flag meeting.
The men from 9 Para, a special-forces unit of the Army’s Parachute Regiment, had entered 15-to-20 kilometres deep into Pakistan and destroyed its artillery guns. Nearly 60 Pakistani troops were killed and those who fled their posts were court martialled. This first raid behind the enemy lines, which the future leaders of the army read about in military academies, forced the Pakistan army to raise a second line of defence for its artillery, changing its military doctrine.
Recalling the war, Colonel K D Pathak (retd), then a captain and second-in-command (2IC) of the raiding company, said: “During the night of December 13, 1971, my unit was assigned the task of destroying Pakistani artillery guns deployed near Mandhol village, 19 km southwest of Poonch. These six 122-milimetre Chinese guns of the Pakistani battery were creating trouble for our 93 and 120 infantry brigades. The 9 Para unit was then posted at Nangi Tekri (naked hill), 4,665 feet above the sea level, in the Poonch sector.”
Colonel Pathak, now 77, remembers how the company of six officers and 120 men led by Major C M Malhotra started around 5.30pm on “that cold night”. “We had to cross neck-deep water of the Poonch river to reach Mandhol, which we found to be deserted. After locating the guns, the party split into six groups, one to take down each target. In a fierce battle with the enemy, we blew up all its guns with 3-to-5 kg timer explosives powered by pencil cells and put inside the barrels. Many Pakistani soldiers were killed. Several fled. We lost only two men, while 20 were wounded,” said the veteran.
One of the founders of the Indian special forces, Colonel Pathak said most difficult task was to return safely with 20 wounded soldiers and the body of another. They finished it at 6.30am next day. The colonel who retired in 1992 said this surprise raid had shattered the local Pakistani line of defence. “It was precise, calculated, and successful operation inside the enemy territory,” he said. “After the war, even the military delegation from Pakistan praised the professionalism of the Indian troops who had carried out the operation.”
Sidelights of the operation
‘Pakistanis’ who held their post | Returning from the operation, the unit saw abandoned mules of the Pakistani army but when it tried to take these along, the loyal animal refused to move an inch
Earning Pakistani commendation | The success of 9 Para was recognised only when the Pakistan Army delegation narrated after the ceasefire what damage the unit had done at Mandhol Changed the art of war | Learning a lesson from this setback, the Pakistani army raised a second line of defence for its artillery guns, which meant changing its military doctrine

Crossing neck deep water in December in Poonch says volumes about their mental and physical strength.

In 2007 the Paras went to Russia to train with the Russian Army in the cold season.There was a obstacle which required swimming to be crossed.The Paras crossed it even in cold season which surprised the Russians who thought only they were tough and Indian hot climate soldiers couldnt do it.

Strangely the last unit which happened to be a top European SF had refused to do this obstacle.

The unit was Polish GROM.

 

[Vayuputra]

such a shame, only 250 came forward to fallen soldier's aid

https://milaap.org/fundraisers/nirala-garud-commando

 

[Suryavanshi]

such a shame, only 250 came forward to fallen soldier's aid

https://milaap.org/fundraisers/nirala-garud-commando

If same was to be done for saving a cute dogs hundreds would come forward
Sad state of our community really

 

[Moroboshi]

such a shame, only 250 came forward to fallen soldier's aid

https://milaap.org/fundraisers/nirala-garud-commando

I just donated. Did you start this campaign?

 

[Vayuputra]

I just donated. Did you start this campaign?

naa! this link was shared by coldheartedavaiator@. I donated and had my colleagues do their bit

 

[Indian Sniper.001]

such a shame, only 250 came forward to fallen soldier's aid

https://milaap.org/fundraisers/nirala-garud-commando

Sorry, couldn't do it. Have financial problems at home, but will do my part as soon as possible.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Did anyone watch the Chinese Special forces documentary on History Channel?

I must say i am shocked.Their training is very basic conpared to Indian or western SF.

Recruits were firing a gun for the first time in probation.They broke their ankles jumping of a helicopter.

Unnecessary trainings like drills and driving a SUV like a hollywood actor.

On top of that the gear and weapons are basic.No scopes even on the assault rifles which is Chinese and doesnt have the best reputation.

Disappointed also to see no ragda and scolding which tests the temper of the trainee.

 

[Indian Sniper.001]

Did anyone watch the Chinese Special forces documentary on History Channel?

I must say i am shocked.Their training is very basic conpared to Indian or western SF.

Recruits were firing a gun for the first time in probation.They broke their ankles jumping of a helicopter.

Unnecessary trainings like drills and driving a SUV like a hollywood actor.

On top of that the gear and weapons are basic.No scopes even on the assault rifles which is Chinese and doesnt have the best reputation.

Disappointed also to see no ragda and scolding which tests the temper of the trainee.

I have already posted on them being a paper tiger.

The whole article isn't necessary for this thread, but this one point caught my eye -
"In a Sino-Russian joint military drill, it was said that Chinese paratroopers were quite afraid of parachuting into a mock battlefield from a high altitude."
Now, in the recent SF competition it was China who won it, but this is something which also should be considered. Prolly, one point which can be made is that these paratroopers were new and were afraid, or the only other theory is the same feeling is widespread, and they are just a showpiece.

Those interested - http://www.ejinsight.com/20170105-why-the-chinese-army-is-a-paper-tiger/

Unfortunately, only these lines are dedicated to Chinese paratroopers.

In a Sino-Russian joint military drill, it was said that Chinese paratroopers were quite afraid of parachuting into a mock battlefield from a high altitude.

If there is a real war, don’t expect these soldiers to fight and win.