Indian Security Forces 'Have Become More and More Like the Indian Government'

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    Noted Author Blasts Indian Military's Ability to Confront China, Says: Indian Security Forces 'Have Become More and More Like the Indian Government – Cautious, Defensive… And Risk-Averse When It Comes to China'

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    In a recent article, renowned Indian strategic affairs writer Bharat Karnad questioned the mental attitude preparedness of the Indian Army, Navy, and Air Force to confront China, which he described as India's "only consequential foe." Karnad's article comes amid the growing challenges from the Chinese military to the U.S. and Indian vessels in the South China Sea. In September 2011, Indian media reported that Chinese Navy confronted an Indian vessel off the coast of Vietnam.

    Bharat Karnad, who has authored several books on India's strategic and nuclear policy, is a professor in national security studies at the Centre of Policy Studies (CPS), a research institute based in New Delhi. In his article titled "Indian Armed Forces Have China Syndrome," Karnad slammed the chiefs of the Indian military for not recognizing the growing Chinese threat to India's interests.

    Karnad went on to argue that India needs to enter military-to-military collaborations with like-minded countries such as Vietnam to confront China, stating: "Whatever the Indian military's level of eagerness or the lack of it to go toe-to-toe with China, it may be prudent to arm on a priority basis a bold and plucky Vietnam, which has repeatedly shown that it takes no guff from anybody, with everything Hanoi desires, including the nuclearized Brahmos supersonic cruise missile."

    "As Soon as China Heaves into View, Our Military Leadership, Much Like the Indian Government, Freezes Up, Its Reluctance Reflecting… a Deep Down Conviction that It Cannot Cope"

    "Over the years, the Indian Armed Services have become more and more like the Indian government – cautious, defensive, incremental in thought and action, and risk-averse when it comes to China, an adversary that's perhaps better endowed, if not more competent, in fighting wars. Willingness to tangle with an equal or superior foe is the measure by which would-be great powers [such as India] are judged. It is also a reasonable criterion for the citizenry to gauge whether the country, in fact, has secured military value and muscle for the vast monies expended on national defense….

    "[A]s soon as China heaves into view, our military leadership, much like the Indian government, freezes up, its reluctance reflecting less the actual correlation of forces than a deep conviction that it cannot cope. This establishment attitude is everywhere, reflected most recently in former National Security Adviser Brajesh Mishra on a weekend television show saying point blank that India should do nothing to rile China until it is economically in a position to offer resistance - which is a recipe essentially to do nothing.

    "The Army Chief, General V.K. Singh, has talked forthrightly of Chinese violations of the disputed border but, like his predecessors, done precious little to rid the army of its Pakistan fixation and transform it into a land force capable of taking the fight to the Chinese on the Tibetan plateau.


    "To crow about [Indian Army's] two Mountain Divisions and additional two divisions under raising as meaningful offensive warfare capability in the Himalayas is misleading, as these constitute a force that is neither large enough nor potent enough to do more than beef up the defensive line 40-50 miles behind the Line of Actual Control [LAC], which pre-positioning ends up ceding this wide belt of border land to China before the hostilities even begin."

    "[Indian] Navy is At the Sharp End of Imminent Military Confrontations, Which are Bound Increasingly to Determine the Nature of the Sino-Indian Strategic Equilibrium; But the Indian Navy Seems to Be in No Frame of Mind to Proactively Protect National Interests"

    "The Indian Air Force, likewise, is air defense minded in the eastern theatre [vis-à-vis China], despite its having the largest complement of Tezpur and Chabua-based Su-30MKI, arguably the best combat and strike aircraft flying bar the F-22 Raptor, that can, if offensively deployed, keep the Chinese PLA on tenterhooks. But whatever the army and air force dispositions, the navy is at the sharp end of imminent military confrontations, which are bound increasingly to determine the nature of the Sino-Indian strategic equilibrium obtaining in the future.

    "But the Indian Navy seems to be in no frame of mind to proactively protect national interests in the South China Sea, or anywhere else that Chinese ships may venture. This much may be gleaned from the op-ed piece by retired Admiral Arun Prakash ('Where are Our Ships Bound?,' Indian Express, Oct. 1, 2011). Astonishingly, Prakash blames [oil and gas exploration firm] ONGC Videsh Ltd. and MEA [Ministry of External Affairs] for trying to precipitate a confrontation in the South China Sea, which the former naval chief deems too distant for Delhi to 'take a stand on principle or adopt an assertive posture vis-a-vis China' particularly in the absence of 'a viable trans-national capability.'

    "His reference is to the mid-July challenge by a suspected Chinese naval vessel to the amphibious assault ship INS Airavat [of India] steaming north from Nha Trang to Haiphong that went unreported until, possibly Hanoi, mindful of the fact that an aggressive China has the effect of leaving the Indian government and the Armed Services in a tizzy, sought to test Delhi's resolve to help protect India's energy stake in the South China Sea and Vietnam's 'territorial integrity' by leaking the news of this non-incident to the international press.

    "The Indian government and MEA's instincts to run away from a fight with China were forestalled by the … state visit of the Vietnamese president, Truong Tan Sang, resulting in surprisingly strong statements supportive of Vietnamese interests by the External Affairs Minister, S. M. Krishna."

    "The Military's Unwillingness to Tangle with China, the Only Consequential Foe India Faces, is Rooted in a Host of Reasons; [India] is Still to Get a Service Chief of Staff Who Calls a Spade a Shovel"

    "The more troubling thing is Admiral Prakash's implied contention that the Navy, in effect, ought to be allowed to choose its fights. That's not how it works. Wars are imposed by situation and circumstance or triggered by sustained violation of sovereignty or chance trampling of national interests.

    "The military, navy included, better damn well be prepared for any contingency at all times. There is no excuse for trying to escape a fight by pleading logistical void and absence of wherewithal. Because then the question will be asked: What exactly has the navy, which ballyhoos its strategic mindset as much as it does its blue water capability build-up, been preparing for?

    "The military's unwillingness to tangle with China, the only consequential foe India faces, is rooted in a host of reasons, among them the fact that the country is still to get a service chief of staff who calls a spade a shovel, and shakes up the national security establishment by ruthlessly restructuring his service with the Chinese threat primarily in mind, thereby seeding an operational reorientation of the Indian military as a whole north and eastward – something desperately required if it means to be relevant in the unfolding geostrategics of the extended region and Asia."

    "If We Lack the Stomach for a Fight Let's at Least Equip a Country [i.e. Vietnam] That Does Have the Guts to Take on China"

    "Dealing with China demands finesse and forcefulness. So far what has been on view is the former, as configured by the ingloriously ambivalent MEA and a little-known body of appeasers comprising the 'China Study Group.' Too much nuance and too little counter-force has resulted in China gaining massive psychological and political advantage, further encouraging it to do as it pleases.

    "Whatever the Indian military's level of eagerness or the lack of it to go toe-to-toe with China, it may be prudent to arm on a priority basis a bold and plucky Vietnam, that has repeatedly shown it takes no guff from anybody, with everything Hanoi desires, including the nuclearized Brahmos supersonic cruise missile.

    "If we lack the stomach for a fight let's at least equip a country [i.e. Vietnam] that does have the guts to take on China. It will keep a worried Chinese South Seas Fleet tied to its Sanya base on Hainan Island because, sure as hell, it won't be the Indian Navy, which shies away from stressful encounters east of Malacca."

    Noted Author Blasts Indian Military's Ability to Confront China, Says: Indian Security Forces 'Have Become More and More Like the Indian Government – Cautious, Defensive… And Risk-Averse When It Comes to China'
     
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    Hawkish views agreed that our armed forces top brass have become lethargic by that i mean they do not see beyond the curve but just catching up in pure strategic sense.
    on the other front we have to analyse that economy has started to pick up post Kargil war that's some 12 years back steps for modernisation are taking place albeit at a snail pace,but the armed forces do with the budget they have.

    As to the allusion that Indian Navy is doesn't have the stomach to take on China please check the Navy budget they are the poor strategic suckers and they are doing more than a commendable job with the present budget and political patronage.
    The IA takes 51% of the budget and if you ask me its the worst in terms of efficiency in all the 3 branches with COAS that's embroiled in age scuffle what example can it give.
     
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    The Indian armed forces has to follow the Indian Govts policies.

    They cannot copycat Pakistan Army. Not in their genes!
     
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    I think IAF needs long range bomber like Russian Tuplov -22M/160 or Sukhoi 34.

    How IAF will attack China Han homeland/Industrial belt near east cost which is 3,000 Km away from our border?? They can easily hit deep inside our territory with Su MKM, J-10, J-11.

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    What is the most sensitive tripwire for India in regard to China, and what can be predicted for an outcome if shooting starts?
     
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    I don't know whether China is a potential agressor, towards India. Whether, also, India would be agressor towards China, can also be a matter of wild conjecture. The MEA, nor the Govt. of India has mentioned what the exchange was during when the Indian Naval ship was on the South China Sea.
    It is true, that war's are unforeseen events, at the onset, for one party to the conflict. On another instance, both the parties may enter into war, without prior planning. If both India and China, build up their armed forces on the North East borders of India, then, what may happen? There will be a purpose, behind the build up, or at least, the military commanders at the front, will see some purpose. These build-up's can at worst, lead to an incident, which may be very unfortunate, at best, they can lead to nothing. India should certainly have a deterrent on the Chinese border. If China has a great number of troops in Tibet, then India should decide the size of the deterrent.
     
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    If bombers are able to reach hans heartland that would mean only one thing, ie china is finished and has no airdefence systems and planes left . best bet would be missiles instead of long range non stealthy bombers.
     
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    let's get some bombers first , than we will think about long range bombers . :tongue:
     
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    I agree that Navy must not get to choose India's wars but must fight like devil when it happens...similarly the GoI must not select Navy's weapons.

    If Navy must fight GoI's wars, then GoI must buy or sanction the production of weapons as per Navy's choice.
     

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