Indian Russophiles: Gunga Din's, or pro Russians?

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  1. apple

    apple Tihar Jail Banned

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    On another thread was reminded, thanks Ray, of Rudyard Kipling, which got me to thinking about this forums multitude of extremely pro- Russian Indians.

    On the Ukrainian civil war thread, in particular, there are a multitude of extremely anti-Ukrianian posts. The vehemence with which these posters express their opinions I have found most confusing.

    The explanations I can come up with are;

    A) these posters consider themselves Russian and as Gunga Din was more British than Britons, these poster are trying to be more Russian than Russians

    or B) The are anti-Democrats and long for a (white/"pale") "strongman" i.e. Putin to oppose which ever groups they blame the world's problem on​

    Understand why Indians might have some fond memories about the Soviet Union, particularly in regards to what happened when Bangladesh was formed. But, would disagree that India and Russia ever had anykind of special friendship. They enjoyed good diplomatic relations with you, during the Cold War, because you'd been rejected the West. And their military industry kept you supplied because you could pay money, unlike a lot of their other clients.

    Am particularly confused as to why India which has, it would seem, an excellent future with a very vibrant economy and have no idea why you'd want to nail you colours to the, once again, sinking ship that is Russia.

    Is even more strange as, from my understanding, many of Independant India's problems can be blamed on aspects of Marxism you tried to adopt.

    Anyway; A), B) or somekind of C)
     
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  3. Srinivas_K

    Srinivas_K Senior Member Senior Member

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    When Goras arrived in India for trade, they licked all the a$$es of Indian kings. It is the fate of India to be ruled by these barbarians who looted in such a way that this land is taking many decades to recover.

    India will form its own block, but first we need to improve our economy, industrial base and Military.

    When USA sent its 7th fleet to threaten India, it was USSR which came to our rescue. But with time the strategic interests also change. But vis-a-vis China if there is one country that can help in case of Chinese attack it is Russia. USSR moved their soldiers towards Chinese borders when 1971 war is going on.

    India is not joining any block, But India will emerge to form its own block. India stands for democracy and liberty.

    Like minded countries are invited to join !







     
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  4. Rowdy

    Rowdy Co ja kurwa czytam! Senior Member

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    Really .... This is what the Ukrainans are doing:
    Anyway the answer to your question is:

    Indians do not care what happens around the world. We don't give a $hit even if ISIS beheads people or another Hitler emerges in europe. We have always had this inward looking indifference to the world. Remember the world invaded us , not the other way around. And they always came with blood and death. So we are forced to interact with a globalized world. Since we have to interact with them we just do whatever pushes our interest forward.

    About Russia in particular : It is enjoying the fruits of goodwill earned by USSR. and it wasn't just about weapons. Even today we learn from translated soviet era books. (Case in point : Irodov's physics books ). Russia also shares and supports in tech that we cannot get from the market like nuke sub reactor design. So we do not meddle in their business. Ukraine lies in the russian sphere of influence and russia can do whatever it pleases.
     
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    With all due respect,i would like to disagree with your PoV in this regard.
    Firstly,the USSR was THE largest provider of aid to India until it's break up,they not only helped us in terms of money but also supplied us millions of tonnes of food grains throughout the late 60s and the early 70s when we used to have a drought at a regular interval.
    Secondly,there were many instances when we bought their weapons through barter system specially in the early 70s when our economy was suffering from severe financial constraint.I remember reading somewhere that we used to pay them with tea in exchange for the Mig-21 aircraft that they were supplying to us in times of our need.Now you tell me which other western country would have done the same at that time barring the USSR.
    Thirdly,they provided us with unconditional support in the U.N.S.C. during the 1971 Bangladesh liberation war despite being a socialist country when all the other "P-5 western democracies" were against us and were demanding for a full fledged economic sanction against us.
    Fourthly,it was them who literally saved our a$$es when they stopped the U.S. 7th fleet from launching any misadventure during the Bangladesh Liberation war by sending their SSNs in the Indian Ocean region.They were also instrumental in keeping the Chinese out of that conflict.As per the Indo-Soviet Friendship Treaty,they deployed nearly 50 divisions of their troops at the Sino-Soviet border,thus literally bogging down the entire Chinese military at their northern border.
    We Indians might be poor financially but we are definitely not an ungrateful lot.We always remember those friends who helped us unconditionally during the times of our need.Hence,nearly all Indian citizens have got a soft corner in their hearts for the erstwhile U.S.S.R. and Russia being the direct successor of the U.S.S.R. gets the same respect from most of us:ranger:.
     
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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    On another forum all the American Nazis(some retired mental so called military professionals) threaten anyone who talks about Pro-Russia.

    Those guys still try to force every country which is friendly towards Russia.

    They forgot that you can't force their views on independent countries and not everyone is so feeble and ready to sell itself like some countries like Pakistan or some European countries(rather pussies dependent on US for their security against Russia).At least people on this forum are not so retard.

    So does OP get a point?
     
  7. apple

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    1) You've been getting aid from the West too, Why are you mentioning that? Hasn't it been popular in India that Modi's stopped aid?
    2) For one, the US. In your case Britain and Commonwealth nations would have helped too. Your Lee Enfield's aren't all made in Ishapore.
    3) Sure, Nixon acted like a dick then
    4) Your ass didn't need saving, the American's were just trying to impress the Chinese. Aren't really sure why that get mentioned so much. You chose to ally yourself with the Soviet Union and then you got threatened by the other side. Was your choice to be the Soviet's friend, you should all take some responsibility for your actions.

    The Ukraine is also a direct successor of the USSR.

    Yeah, there are some awful people in the Ukriane.

    So, you're not even a C, you're some kind of a D :)

    No, I don't really get your point.

    You had trouble on some other forum, so something, something, something.

    It's not this forum's fault, this is internet, but there's plenty of retarded posters here.

    And I forgot how many times I've been banned from this site... has been over 10 times anyway
     
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    I do not regret to be a Russophile, we have been helped by Soviets and Russians (doesn't matter since they are practically same). there is a saying a friend in need is a friend Indeed, so Russians score 100pc. there.

    then there are some people who may say that Russia was friendly to India, because it wanted and ally and stop western influence in Asia. it is also not true, since India was never a part of cold war (all wars India fought with US henchmen-the Pakistan were the adventurism of Pakistan and not the US).

    Some may say that Russia is supplying attack choppers to pakistan, and hence it is not a friend of India. but, one must look into this matter with little more maturity, we have fought 4 bloody wars with pakistan, and one with China, but have we severed our connections with both pakistan and china because of bad history? then why should Russia do not have relations with pakistan (which is not a enemy of Russia).

    i may be able to point out few more with some research, but these are the first thing which pop in my mind.

    it is funny enough that in our forum most people have voted Russia as not a friend. but i assume that its opinion. even in a survey Indians favoured America more than Russia, but this is the might of soft power which America has in our part of world.
     
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    Dude Indians will never hate russians .... no matter what the west says. Simply because the russians never did anything against us. Now add to it all the positive sentiments because of Aid+Military.
    As far as west
    Swallowing the humiliation - Indian Express
     
  10. apple

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    Hope you enjoy your "Russophilism" :)

    Indians might claim they were nonaligned but the West and the Soviet Union didn't think so. Don't really know much about Cold War China but suspect they considered you an ally of the Soviets too. There comes a point were intent is irrelevant i.e. what India intend to be losses importance. Suspect if the Third World War had kicked off and gone nuclear America would have nuked you and if they hadn't the Chinese (probably) would've.
     
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    Actually there was a list of countries that US intended to nuke in case of WW-3, I think it was posted on the forum a few years back, it had 3-4 Indian cities.

    Also, if WW-3 goes nuclear, rest assured, US will nuke you(Australia) too.
     
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    You are confused because you are victim of your own weakness of doing gross generalizations.

    Indian thought process on this subject can not be bracketed into two gross categories. This forum have extensive material to read on this subject that one can honestly see the diversity of opinion we have about, Russia, USA, UK, and Cold war etc.
     
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    Your first point, me grossly over generalising, sure that's a fair comment.

    As to your second point, I'd disagree. I haven't seen much plurality of thought here, more of a hive mind to be honest. As to India and Indians (not on this forum)... that's, obviously, a huge subject which I couldn't offer an opinion on.
     
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    Anyone will do for me .:yey:
     
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    Americans are good for nothing !! Americans ran back in the Korean war... We saw the same Americans fleeing like rats in the Vietnam war...

    Americans did not had the guts to use Nukes then... what a pity !!
     
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    People cherish happy memories, nothing new about that. And USSR gave some, no doubt about it.

    There is enough plurality of thought. Just visit the other thread: http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...es/67672-russia-still-our-friend-poll-19.html

    But then it is just an opinion. You are free to have one.
     
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    It is general psychology traits

    India is still a poor country,poor are highly emotional.Like ppl,govt also take some decisions based on emotions rather pragmatic/ism.

    2.We never ever abandon a friend who helped us in dire circumstances (Old USSR days).

    But I know West&India's 'Interests' match compared to Rus/Chi. So India+West destined to become close allies but it takes time, may be after 2030.
     
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    Haha. Not my problem. See the poll results and beginning of the thread.

    Ofcourse, the people who love Russia are more enthusiastic in showing their love than others who are indifferent and see the world as it is.
     
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    The hypocrisy here: if you disagree with me [read western democracies] then you are Russian supporter or whatever… rather be like a Great Britain and lick my feet!!

    India will always have an independent thinking aligned to its interests only… India never abandon friends unlike you Americans once the need is finished you through them into a bin…

    Indians will never forget the conduct of Americans when they stopped the supply of food grains just after the 1974 pokhran tests… Indians never compromised then nor will now be…
     
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    we were nonaligned with leaning towards communists. and about the threat of going nuclear on India were always there. this was the reason for India to develop its own nukes. these are Indian policies which have given new dimensions to the polarity in this world, NAM was in a way successful to keep this world together.

    Indian foreign policy was so successful during 60s and 70 s that we forced US to rethink about us, the US was always confused about Indians, Indian policies have always given migraines to US, US couldn't predict what Indians would support in world fora, this was the prime reason for USA to get cozy with pak, as pakis were always bent over to appease the USA. even now the USA find it difficult to predict Indian response in UN assembly.

    apart from that many NATO nations supported India in many ways, during US sanctions.
     
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