Indian Role in Afghanistan

[gekko]

Obviously I will be happy if India is the one that colonizes it but Afghans are owed a debt from Abdali's time. Their race needs to be fucking wiped from this planet. I don't mind if it is India or Pakistan that does it.

The only Indians who were able to subdue the Afghans were the Sikhs.

We are currently following the model of 'lesser of the two evils'. Even I upvote posts about Afghan-Indian friendship (same with Iran) but we must realize deep down that these are not our friends. They serve a purpose against our enemy, but friends they are not.

Young Indians have hopped on the bandwagon of Iran/Afghan friendship citing hundreds of years of historic friendship (lolwa), but can any of us name a single friendly thing they have done in the past? Nadir Shar fucked us, Abdali, Durrani weren't exactly good will ambassadors.

 

[Project Dharma]

The only Indians who were able to subdue the Afghans were the Sikhs.

We are currently following the model of 'lesser of the two evils'. Even I upvote posts about Afghan-Indian friendship (same with Iran) but we must realize deep down that these are not our friends. They serve a purpose against our enemy, but friends they are not.

Young Indians have hopped on the bandwagon of Iran/Afghan friendship citing hundreds of years of historic friendship (lolwa), but can any of us name a single friendly thing they have done in the past? Nadir Shar fucked us, Abdali, Durrani weren't exactly good will ambassadors.

Wasn't Afghanistan colonized under the Mauryans as well? At any rate sir, Indian troops conquered it again after the Sikh rule fighting under the British flag.

 

[gekko]

Wasn't Afghanistan colonized under the Mauryans as well?

That was before Afghanistan was ethnically 'Afghan'. The Muslim-Central-Asian-Persian-Pathan mix we know as Afghanistan today didn't exist back then.


That Saragarhi thing didn't work out too well for us. The famous battle which is known to many, what is not told is that after the battle was over, the 21 Sikhs who fought to death against 10k Afghans had their bodies decapitated by the Afghans who eventually overran them. It was later captured by another British contingent. The British didn't hold on for too long.

PS : There are 3 movies coming up in Nov and Des 2017 about Battle of Saragarhi, one starring Ajay Devgan and one starring Randeep Hooda, and a third movie in 2018 with Akshay Kumar.

 

[Aghore_King]

Afghanistan was indeed ruled by Indian empires till 1000....

Read this- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabul_Shahi

 

[Mikesingh]

We are currently following the model of 'lesser of the two evils'. Even I upvote posts about Afghan-Indian friendship (same with Iran) but we must realize deep down that these are not our friends. They serve a purpose against our enemy, but friends they are not.

An enemy's enemy is a friend. We need to exploit this to the hilt to hurt the Pakis.

 

[gekko]

An enemy's enemy is a friend. We need to exploit this to the hilt to hurt the Pakis.

Yes, this is the only positive aspect to it.

Afghanistan has 3 things to offer :

Strategic land to be used against Pakistan
Copper
Marble

A lot of us extrapolate it to create fables about our 'historic relationship' with Afghanistan. That latter part is not true. They used to behead us in the mountains now known as 'Hindu Kush', which literally means the graveyard of Hindus. Every one of us who hails from a martial clan has had at least one of their major leaders mutilated by Afghans, be it Prithvi Raj Chauhan or Dattaji Shinde or the numerous Sikh commanders who were martyred in the Afghan invasions*.

Afghan invasions*

The Marathas had failed to befriend the important party of Punjab, particularly Sikhs. They couldn't make any formal treaty with Sikhs, who along with Adina Beg had assisted them in their conquest of north-west. Marathas treated Sikhs as a non-entity in Punjab affairs. According to an assessment, the Sikhs were ever ready to co-operate with the Marathas, but it goes to the discredit of the Marathas that they could not make a proper confederacy with Sikhs.

Goes to Punjab, forgets to invite Sikhs to the party. #MarathaLogic

Rookie mistake there; Lesson learnt at a very heavy price.

Najib defeated and killed Dattaji at Burari Ghat near Delhi in January, 1760. Abdali followed him. Peshwa Balaji Baji Rao sent his cousin Sadashivrao Bhau to repel Abdali which finally resulted in the Third Battle of Panipatwhere Abdali decisively defeated Marathas.[5] Panipat debacle was such a blow to the Maratha Empire that it could not enter the north India for a decade and could never really recover from the enormous losses they sustained during the whole campaign against the Durrani Empire.

Sikhs, Jats, Rajputs, Marathas all have had their run ins with the Afghans (and Iranians) at different points in time. Where does the premise of 'historic friendship' even come from? the bonhomie with Afghans and Iranians is a recent phenomenon after independence.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Afghans need to realize the Pakistani designs, simple as that !

They know it very well.................

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Obviously I will be happy if India is the one that colonizes it but Afghans are owed a debt from Abdali's time. Their race needs to be fucking wiped from this planet. I don't mind if it is India or Pakistan that does it.

You have a point too but right now Afghanistan is not a threat. It is Pakistan which was created from the ideology of hatred for Hindus and they possess Nuclear arsenal and they have an Ideology of Gazwa e Hind. Currently Afghanistan is not a problem but Pakistan is. We need to wipe out pakistan and defeat their ideology of Gazwa e Hind. We need to punish Punjabi elite who still carries the mindset of Islamic Invaders. We need to separate Baluchistan, Sindh and Western tribal area. We need to punish Punjab very badly so that they can not stand up for atleast 5 decades and Punjab me further be divided into small state and we must do a vigil till that Punjabi elite Islamic dominating mindset is completely demolished.

 

[rock127]

You have a point too but right now Afghanistan is not a threat. It is Pakistan which was created from the ideology of hatred for Hindus and they possess Nuclear arsenal and they have an Ideology of Gazwa e Hind. Currently Afghanistan is not a problem but Pakistan is. We need to wipe out pakistan and defeat their ideology of Gazwa e Hind. We need to punish Punjabi elite who still carries the mindset of Islamic Invaders. We need to separate Baluchistan, Sindh and Western tribal area. We need to punish Punjab very badly so that they can not stand up for at least 5 decades and Punjab me further be divided into small state and we must do a vigil till that Punjabi elite Islamic dominating mindset is completely demolished.

Exactly ...convert inbred Punjabi Muslims are really a threat to humanity.

Paki Punjab needs to be punished just as Germany was punished since they were responsible for WW and lives lost in millions. Paki Punjab needs to be stripped of its Army,Nukes neutralized and heavy penalties levied.

Afgans are not a threat and it became a terrorist land ONLY because of Pakis and Arabians.

Here is a map I created for DFI long time ago and it was copied by some idiots who put his watermark.

 

[Nexus]

The only Indians who were able to subdue the Afghans were the Sikhs.

We are currently following the model of 'lesser of the two evils'. Even I upvote posts about Afghan-Indian friendship (same with Iran) but we must realize deep down that these are not our friends. They serve a purpose against our enemy, but friends they are not.

Young Indians have hopped on the bandwagon of Iran/Afghan friendship citing hundreds of years of historic friendship (lolwa), but can any of us name a single friendly thing they have done in the past? Nadir Shar fucked us, Abdali, Durrani weren't exactly good will ambassadors.

It was beahmin and rajput who ruled Afghanistan for 500 years as Hindusahis, Sikhs were not even able to hold a small peshawar valley for more than 30 years.

 

[Nexus]

Exactly ...convert inbred Punjabi Muslims are really a threat to humanity.

Paki Punjab needs to be punished just as Germany was punished since they were responsible for WW and lives lost in millions. Paki Punjab needs to be stripped of its Army,Nukes neutralized and heavy penalties levied.

Afgans are not a threat and it became a terrorist land ONLY because of Pakis and Arabians.

Here is a map I created for DFI long time ago and it was copied by some idiots who put his watermark.

View attachment 17830

afghans were always invaders in gujart.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babai_(Pashtun_tribe)

Maybe you love to suck up to Afghans but we always saw them as invaders.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

afghans were always invaders in gujart.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babai_(Pashtun_tribe)

Maybe you love to suck up to Afghans but we always saw them as invaders.

That is true but Abdali and Gazani are not hero of Afghanistan. They are the Hero of Porkis converted generals. They follow the ideology of Gazwa e Hind.

 

[Tshering22]

Afghans need to realize the Pakistani designs, simple as that !

They know what Pakistan wants.

Why do you think no matter who comes to power there, they hate the Pakistanis?

Taliban were their puppets who created havoc against them.

Once they were out, Afghanistan quickly moved towards India.

The problem is, we aren't consistent with our international strategy in any region.

At least historically so.

Now PM Modi has turned it to a more logical policy.

 

[Yggdrasil]

That is true but Abdali and Gazani are not hero of Afghanistan. They are the Hero of Porkis converted generals. They follow the ideology of Gazwa e Hind.

Sir, Abdali is quite literally the national hero of Afghanistan.

http://great4people.blogspot.sg/2016/03/ahmad-shah-durrani.html

Porki heroes are irrelevant, since not one of them is actually Pakistani - they have Uzbek heroes, Afghan heroes, Arab heroes, Persian heroes. Like a prostitute takes on a client, the Paki takes on a hero.

The fact is that Afghans, Persians, Arabs, Central Asians, Mongols etc have all attacked India in the past. They will never be our long-term friends as long as violent jihad remains a part of Islamic ideology. However, whomever we can ally with for our interests is acceptable - we need to cast aside these historical enmities in the service of realpolitik, otherwise we will have no one to cooperate with. Time for Chanakya-niti. Of course we shouldn't end up with "bhai bhai" emotional nonsense of idiot Nehru.

 

[LordOfTheUnderworlds]

@Yggdrasil original animist/Buddhist mongols never attacked India. Even Genghis Khan used to spare Buddhist monasteries. Mongolia is still Buddhist.

 

[lupgain]

The hypocrisy of Pakistan

 

[Willy2]

Exactly ...convert inbred Punjabi Muslims are really a threat to humanity.

Paki Punjab needs to be punished just as Germany was punished since they were responsible for WW and lives lost in millions. Paki Punjab needs to be stripped of its Army,Nukes neutralized and heavy penalties levied.

Afgans are not a threat and it became a terrorist land ONLY because of Pakis and Arabians.

Here is a map I created for DFI long time ago and it was copied by some idiots who put his watermark.

View attachment 17830

Why let Afghanistan so big...peshawar, Atok Pashtun(Historicaly Pakhta) are Indian things.and they belongs to us ..Durand ling will exist..only difference would be NWFA will be Indian part

 

[Yggdrasil]

@Yggdrasil original animist/Buddhist mongols never attacked India. Even Genghis Khan used to spare Buddhist monasteries. Mongolia is still Buddhist.

Sir I meant Mughals that came as Turkic-Mongol invaders. Gengis Khan did murder a large number of people in his lifetime - just that his horde rode straight as arrows from east to west and didn't really bother going around the Himalayas. His descendants corrected that, with grave consequences.

Gengis Khan was a brutal barbarian, as was the whole of the Mongol horde, let's have no illusions about them.

 

[rock127]

Why let Afghanistan so big...peshawar, Atok Pashtun(Historicaly Pakhta) are Indian things.and they belongs to us ..Durand ling will exist..only difference would be NWFA will be Indian part

Thats the problem with us Indians since we lack strategic depth in our thinking and dream too much.We need to see immediate interests which are more practical.

India cant manage such big lands specially Muslim populated Afganistan and the lawless NWFP.

We simply need to divide Terrorist Pakistan into small nations so they keep pressure on Terrorist Pakis.Those small nations would not be so tolerant as India and would keep kicking their ass and Pakis would blame them of cross border terrorism.

Right now they blame Afganistan of cross border terrorism thus tasting their own medicine.

 

[Nexus]

@Yggdrasil original animist/Buddhist mongols never attacked India. Even Genghis Khan used to spare Buddhist monasteries. Mongolia is still Buddhist.

MONGOLS raped Punjab, Sindh and Kashmir rest of India was saved by Khilji Turks and his general