Indian Rafale to be largely produced in France - French industrial magazine

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  1. Drsomnath999

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    Because of the technological complexity of the fighter, the majority of the workload in the production of 126 fighter jets to India should be provided by French companies.
    Negotiations continue to go well between teams Dassault Aviation and the Department of Defense Indian to reach an agreement.

    The two partners have not yet converted into a commercial contract and the selection of the Rafale French manufacturer took place in February as the exclusive partner for the acquisition of 126 fighters. Dassault Aviation, is reassuring on the progress of negotiations, highlighting the complexity technical, commercial, legal negotiations of this type.
    Moreover, little industrial filter sharing between the two countries. Only certainty: 18 aircraft will be assembled in the factory Dassault Merignac, Gironde and the remaining 108 in India . However, sources indicate that the French division of labor remain very much in favor of French, even believing that they would keep well over 50% of the associated production of the early years of the future contract. And not on the whole partnership, as it had been previously written in this article.
    That would be good news for the supply chain of a Franco-French Rafale: the manufacturer does indeed appeal almost exclusively to French companies for the production of its combat aircraft. In total, 500 companies participating countries mobilizing about 7,000 jobs.

    THE OBSTACLE OF TECHNOLOGICAL COMPLEXITY
    Several factors could explain this division favorable to French industrialists while the original tender issued by New Delhi included industrial offsets amounting to 50% of the contract value as well as technology transfer.

    First, as for commercial aircraft of type Boeing or Airbus , assembling a fighter is only a modest fraction of the value of the unit, about 15% according to some experts.

    Second Indian companies are far from mastering the technology to produce complex electronic equipment Rafale. Their contribution could therefore be quite limited at first, and organize around elements of the fuselage, the wings, the canopy ... Especially as technology transfer will be gradual. Rather than a comprehensive agreement on all the apparatus, the cooperation will by signing multiple licensing agreements for each aircraft equipment. As to produce sub-critical assemblies of the device as the radar antenna active electronics of Thales , the mastery of these skills appears remote.

    Third, by joining with France and military aircraft manufacturer, the Indian government would seek to benefit from expertise to reorganize its military aircraft industry.
    Discussion points between the Indian and French partners is no lack. What augur yet long months of negotiations before signing the final contract.

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    well french would definitely want to produce more jets from their own land to create more jobs:rolleyes:
     
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  3. blank_quest

    blank_quest Senior Member Senior Member

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    first of all India should start manufacturing electronic components itself .. we don't even have a decent electronic manufacturing Industry..:rolleyes:
     
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    It is the same as it was for MKI. At least half of HALs assembly will be knock-down kits. Considering the complexity of components, even more will have to be made in France.
     
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    In India mostly 90% of them educated...Our governments aim is to be Let in India everyone being educated and they will achieved this goal ...

    But no one says We will provide job for Every educated peoples....Atleast half a peoples..no

    Still trying for Job..
    Voice from my feel..
     
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    Nevertheless this is not an official statement. It is just somebody's opinion.

    It all depends on what kind of contract HAL, IAF and Dassault reach. Engine and airframe aren't the big problem here. The GTRE-Snecma JV will ensure the entire engine is made in India. Airframe with all the so called Robotics won't be as complex as these guys are trying to convey.

    Thales would be a different ballgame. Maybe Indian electronics companies can look at the bigger picture and start investing more in order to move French electronics base to India for IAF Rafales.

    But all of this can only be done over a few years and not overnight. So, the French industry can be expected to fulfill part of the contract beyond the initial 18 numbers.

    Armand, the MKI contract was for a different need and for different times. The same numbers logic may not apply here.
     
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    Drsomnath999 lord of 32 teeth Elite Member

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    well very premature to say anything like that as MKI .but complete ToT is a must for MMRCA deal ,lets see how india absorbs those ToT & what amount of ToT would french give to India .

    but the major headache for india is can HAL manage so much workload & deliver in time.
     
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    funny how terms always change after the deal is sealed.
     
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    LF, the deal is not sealed yet. Negotiations will still go on for sometime.

    I only hope the deal will be closed by year end. In Feb they said they will be done during the September-October period. Due to the MP's complaint, there would be a little more delay. But there was one report which said the deal will be closed within this fiscal, and that would mean anytime before March 2013.
     
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    Russians and Americans still hoping things change

    Russia hints India could refloat MMRCA tender - India News - IBNLive

    There are no second thoughts on MMRCA choice: DRDO chief - Indian Express

    U.S. again says it would provide F-35 data to India | Reuters
     
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    ^^^ LF
    those reports are as fake as pamela anderson's racks::pound:
    just lol & ignore those reports:D
     
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    The losers can keep hoping. The deal won't be scuttled on their hopes.

    There is the Naval MRCA to contend for. There are at least 80 aircraft involved.

    So, will this be a constellation price for the loss in the IAF deal or will the winner take all? It is up to them to decide.
     
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    thats why there are talks that mmrca will be reinitiated without french this time because cost problem and tot is being a major drawback in thsi deal. russians are now gearing themselves up for new mmrca and so the americans. bad time for french i guess, though iaf will get fighters after some more time but again the basic condition of tot and low cost will come out, i seriously wish f/a-18 wins.
     
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    All these different platforms is going to be something:

    lca,mig-29,mirage,rafaele,naval MRCA,pak-FA
     
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    You missed MKI, Jaguar and Mig-29K.

    The Navy may go for the Rafale instead.
     
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    oh common not again !!!:frusty:
     
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    MRCA looks like its not getting off the ground.... I wonder if its better to go for the F 35 .... those who say its giong to kill the AMCA, don't agree, the way I see it by the time DRDO and HAL get prototypes manned fighters are going to be a thing of the past, PAK FA/T50 is going to be here much sooner...

    The way i see it by the time we get 10 squadrons of Typhoon USAF is going to have 10 squadrons unmanned stealth aircraft with Europeans and Chinese not far behind...
     
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    MRCA is in the contract signing stage. What do you mean by it is not getting off the ground?

    F-35 will bring in a lot more delays.

    It won't kill AMCA though. For the best or the worst, AMCA will be inducted regardless of combat value.

    USN recently sent out RFIs for a manned-unmanned combo aircraft and it is to be ready in 2030. France talked about an unmanned aircraft in the 2040-50 period. EADS has made no mention of unmanned aircraft. China, as usual, will remain unknown. India is expected to get a stealth UCAV in 2017, but it wont be a fighter. So, no nobody will have even prototypes ready by the time we induct 10 squadrons of Rafale, not Typhoon.
     
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    with rafael deal in soup already it is better to go for typhoon i never saw why would we go for rafael. typhoon is better
     
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    isn't these complexities ,sub-part of tot which we were looking forward to ?

    on the other hand seems the production rate will be better thus reducing the induction time,...
     
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    The deal is not sealed.

    But that had selected a name. I mean the deal will get sealed in near future.

    On top of that those 4% as a party fund.....must be kept in mind. It means the deal is almost all got sealed anyway.

    Just few formality left, nothing to worry about.
     

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