Indian Parliament needs more ex-generals

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  1. LurkerBaba

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    The Army has been in the news for a few years now not always for the right reasons. The succession trauma that saw Gen. Bikram Singh replacing V.K. Singh will be stretched out some more with Lt. Gen. Ravi Dastane, deputy chief of the Integrated Defence Staff, deciding to take the matter of the elevation of Lt. Gen. Dalbir Singh Suhag as the Eastern Army commander to the Armed Forces Tribunal.
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    With V.K. Singh on the cusp of entering “politics” full-time, an unnecessary debate has been spurred about the propriety of retired military men entering the soiled political arena. Some veterans — with a lifetime’s habit of staying away from politics — have harrumphed that this is a bad precedent to set. Some fairly ludicrous suggestions have been floated by media commentators, among these that he should give up his rank. India is a bona fide democracy, not a banana republic as a bumptious bottom-feeder from the Congress Party president Sonia Gandhi’s household had the temerity to call the country. The Indian Army, moreover, is a volunteer citizen force of enormous historical weight, not some rag-tag group that is anybody’s plaything. As a citizen military, moreover, the regret is not that V.K. Singh seeks entry into the political ranks, but rather that more generals and colonels and majors are not already in politics.
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    The country needs more citizens with a military background in Parliament, not fewer. And after a rough-hewn career in the field, politics should be pursued by soldiers as an avocation, not a vocation that the workaday politicians have made it.
    Indeed, the bulk of persons with a military background have fared well in Parliament and in state legislatures. People like Jaswant Singh, former major, Central India Horse, and a foreign minister displaying diplomatic verve and finesse during the BJP coalition government, and Maj. Gen. B.C. Khanduri (Retd), an Army engineer, who as chief minister hauled Uttarakhand out of the pits, are role models.

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    If the Army has had a hard time of it in terms of controversy attending on leadership transitions at the highest levels, it has not been lucky in terms of augmenting its capabilities either. Leave alone not getting an offensive mountain corps, the very concept was gutted by defence minister A.K. Antony, who is proving to be one of the great mishaps the military has run into.

    He has both conspicuously failed in his one-point agenda to remove the taint of corruption, and with his risk-averse attitude has actually compounded the problem with decisions being delayed, or, when taken, having been controversial. He started with zero aptitude — and not being a quick study on issues alien to him — has not graduated over the years in office beyond the kindergarten-level in terms of understanding national security-related issues. Nor has he developed an instinct for making correct decisions.


    Worse, he has introduced the give and take of politics into military choices by configuring a grand bargain that saw him approve a full-fledged combat aviation arm for the Army in the face of severe resistance from the Air Force and then, to placate Vayu Bhavan, mooted a “joint solution” that the Army has been enjoined to work out with IAF
    , entailing the formal burial of the offensive mountain corps concept, because of the IAF’s belief that it can unleash its aircraft for punitive strikes against the Chinese Army in Tibet, and that this is enough to deter the hard-headed men running the People’s Liberation Army (PLA).
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    It puts one in mind of the joint air-land exercise put up by the 4th Infantry Division in Ambala in 1958 to over-awe the visiting Chinese military delegation headed by the PLA commander in Tibet. Screaming Hunter aircraft overhead in ground attack mode, dropped bombs, made repeated strafing runs and cleared the path for advancing infantry — all of which impressed the Chinese commander not a whit. “This is all very impressive,” the Chinese commander is reported as telling his Indian counterpart commanding the 4th Division, Maj. Gen. B.M. Kaul, “but, tell me, will you have the aircraft in a real war?”


    The PLA general got his answer three years later with the 7th Brigade of Kaul’s own 4th Division being decimated on the Namka Chu river at a time when Kaul himself was appointed commander of IV Corps created overnight for him by his distant uncle, Jawaharlal Nehru, the Prime Minister’s complaisant defence minister V.K. Krishna Menon and an “obedient” Army Chief, Gen. Pran Nath Thapar. All this happened, it must be remembered, as the IAF remained inert throughout the war.

    -Bharat Karnad


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  3. Yusuf

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    i agreee...
     
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    Yup its a good move be it in Russia,USA,China all of them have ex-generals in politics.

    It will be a good move to have people who really understand the concept of national security in power.
     
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    Parliament needs more Brigadiers or Major Generals. Most Lt. Generals suck upto the politicians, atleast that's what the rumourmill says.
     
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    if they know that there will be a political life after the service life, i am sure they will be less inclined to suck up.

    We sure need some space in our decision making body for our armed forces. Will certainly help in security matters.
     
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    What is the point if ex-Generals are going to become 'politicians' ?

    Same team, different origins.

    However if someone from Military background contest for elections then citizens will perceive him to be more honest & worthy than any other run-of-the-mill neta. Thats the respect we have for our armed forces and credibility which comes along with it !

    More than anything Parliament needs to reform itself to make it more functional and objective.
     
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  8. Kunal Biswas

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    By more ex-Generals or more correct word should be Senior Ex-Army & it meant :

    Indian Parliament need an Army of ex-Army men covering top to bottom, then only things will improve..

    I am not a political person, But logically having few ex-Army men in Parliament is like few pieces of rock over a huge mountain which no one care to notice..

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    In Army there are many teachings one learn by itself, one is adaptation to survive let it be social or Raw Nature, Same thing happen in Parliament..

    If one makes an environment of its own and stick with it may not need to adapt to other`s environment..
     
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    But, will the present political leaders allow this to happen. These money greed and power greed politicos will not for sure allow many DEFENCE PERSONALS to enter the PARLIAMENT.........
     
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    If this happens, finally we'll be having people dealing with Pakistan and framing our Pakistan policy in the manner it needs to be done.
    Finally some discipline will be infused into the parliament and we can have cohesive policies and decisive leadership.
     
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    If Generals get taste of power they will take over.
     
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    roma NRI in Europe Senior Member

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    this is a reality ! too low a rank and they cant connect the ground realities and communicate that to parliament - too high up and they are out of touch with the ground realities - the graduate officer corps are the idefal folks - captains majors , even lieutenants as specialists - to give their input as part of decision making - but then if the parliamentary decision -makers are uneducated - then what's the point

    the political system itself should be reformed - otherwise it's always putting the cart before the horse and you can have the best horses - it just doest work out

    cleaning up the pariiament first - cant possibly ever avoid that step
     
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    It is all good to say that ex senior officers of the Armed Forces be elected.

    Being in a cloistered environment, they are not known to the populace.

    They maybe real good and even worthy of election.

    But then, who would vote for an unknown face?

    Not all Generals are in the limelight as Gen VK Singh.

    At best, they should be coopted in the Rajya Sabha, if not election material, so that there is expertise in military affairs, which is so woefully lacking.
     
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    Good idea. Even if for Loksabha, I'll vote for an ex-Military officer. At least once for experiment sake.
     
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    kyo pakistan banana ha kya???:mad::mad:
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Tu yeh na bolta agar to janta Indian Army or Pakistan Army me difference..

    I dont even think that you do know the difference between the uniforms..


     
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    Was going to say that. We should have some representation of retired armed forces personnel in Rajya Sabha and they should be on all committees on defence, strategic issues, foreign policy etc.
     
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    i know the difference. but my point was No. of generals in parliament and dominate
     
  19. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    BW, are you an Indian Politician ?

    You comment sounds like them.. :D

     
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    no man " iam aam admi"
     
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    He is just a Mango Man of " "
     

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