Indian Ocean Developments

[macintosh]

The string of pearls is not yet a military one but a civilian one. A diplomatic marvel if China to negate the geographical disadvantage it has in the IOR gor maintaining it's oils supply and contdiber traffic of it's finished goods. Any other motive is under a vigilant eye if the IN.

Atleast the CoCo Islands do have listening facilities if not Military bases and is used by china to track Drdo missile tests.

 

[natarajan]

why india is not using strategy like string of pearls
we can lease island from mauritius as we have saved them from plote (terrorist) attack

 

[macintosh]

why india is not using strategy like string of pearls
we can lease island from mauritius as we have saved them from plote (terrorist) attack

As far as I remember we saved Maldives and not Mauritius.
And secondly who will give India it's Land for encircling China???
Vietnam may be but not for military bases and besides India's resources will be much streched.

 

[Adux]

Macintosh,

You are under-estimating the Indians here, We have listening posts in Mongolia, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Vietnam, Maldives, Burma, and also we have Japan, South Korea, US and Australia on our side in the long run. Not to mention Russia may jump ship to India/US side pretty soon, If the Americans can behave.

 

[ajay_ijn]

:mornin:

Who will rule Indian Ocean?

Two big naval forces are going to contend for the control of Indian Ocean. As a very large portion of global sea trade goes through Indian Ocean and there are several strategic points important for both India and China these two countries are modernizing and expanding their naval power very rapidly to gain control of Indian Ocean. Let us analyze the naval strength of these two nations including present and probable expansion in next decade.

Please contribute on the followings-

1) Submarine fleet - a) Diesel-Electric submarines b) Nuclear Submarines
2) Surface ships-Careers, destroyers etc
3) ASW capabilities
4) Naval Exercise
5) Anything you feel relavent:connie_searchingsky

Atlantic, Pacific or Indian, any ocean on this planet is ruled by one and only one naval force- USN.

 

[macintosh]

Macintosh,

You are under-estimating the Indians here, We have listening posts in Mongolia, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Vietnam, Maldives, Burma, and also we have Japan, South Korea, US and Australia on our side in the long run. Not to mention Russia may jump ship to India/US side pretty soon, If the Americans can behave.

Well listening pods are different from encircling.Can we use any of these countries in case of a war with China ?
I don't think so.And between when did Burma joined India??

 

[Koji]

does chines navy got blue water capabilities ????

can they operate far away from their shore independently ????

what about their nuclear submarine flight, what is their past track record..... how many SSBN and SSN they operate........

They have a task force in the Gulf of Aden don't they?

SSN

5 Type 091
2 confirmed Type 093 (more in construction)

SSBN
1 Type 092
2 confirmed Type 094 (more in construction)
Speculated Tang class in construction

 

[ant80]

does chines navy got blue water capabilities ????

can they operate far away from their shore independently ????

what about their nuclear submarine flight, what is their past track record..... how many SSBN and SSN they operate........

The Chinese have limited blue water capabilities. They still lack the ability for power projection to distant regions. For that, they need reliable AC BG's and naval bases like US, which they don't have at this time.

 

[Adux]

Well listening pods are different from encircling.Can we use any of these countries in case of a war with China ?
I don't think so.And between when did Burma joined India??

There is an article, on it.

Wait let me see if I can find it for you.

 

[1.44]

Who will rule Indian Ocean?

The USN will rule it for the most part. Their true blue-water capability will enable it for the next decade and a half at least.After that if the expansion plan of the IN is on track we'll be seeing India and China emerging as major players.
The IN will have to increase it's force and level of sophistication dramatically if the Indian Ocean is to remain true to it's name.

 

[kuku]

http://www.tamilnation.org/images/intframe/indian_ocean/IndianOcean.jpg

Can anyone see the real big aircraft carriers (the Indian subcontinent and Andaman and Nicobar Islands).

 

[Adux]

Fvck Yeah!

 

[natarajan]

how usa got island in indian ocean and when
is there any plan for IN to lease island in indian ocean

 

[p2prada]

There is an article, on it.

Wait let me see if I can find it for you.

You mean this.

India, Myanmar move on Sittwe port

 

[p2prada]

how usa got island in indian ocean and when
is there any plan for IN to lease island in indian ocean

Diego Garcia and other islands were leased to UK from Maldives in a secret deal sometime in the 60s. After that in 1971, UK kicked out all the civilians from the island and setup the base with American help.

Right now, it is used mainly by the Americans.

IN may not build a base there for the time being. Perhaps in the future. The one they were offered was half civvie(owned by a resort) and half military. IN rejected the plan citing that reason.

 

[Adux]

Macnitosh read this, I cant seem to get the other article,


Read this

To the Editor:

Robert Kaplan ("Center Stage for the Twenty-first Century," March/April 2009) correctly underscores the Indian Ocean's strategic importance. But in envisioning "dynamic great-power rivalry" between Beijing and New Delhi there, he is too pessimistic about the United States' ability to maintain influence, too optimistic about China's ability to exert influence rapidly, and too dismissive of India's inherent regional advantages.

Kaplan contends that the United States must skillfully manage an inevitable decline by leveraging the support of allies. But the U.S. military has successfully sustained its level of operations in the region while expanding its range of missions. Washington is working intently with its partners to support cooperative maritime activities globally, as expressed in the maritime strategy released in October 2007.

The United States is shaping itself into an indispensable maritime balancer by deploying the right number and right kind of naval forces and establishing task forces and maritime headquarters that bring diverse partners together. These activities efficiently act as a tipping weight in the Indian Ocean, allowing the United States' other forces to be used elsewhere.

Kaplan's "elegant decline" argument also gives more weight to the number of U.S. ships, submarines, and aircraft than is warranted. The current versatility and capabilities of U.S. naval platforms, coupled with their useful employment in specific scenarios, is a clearer measure of their effectiveness than numbers alone.

Kaplan is correct that the United States must strive to be "continually useful," and the U.S. Navy is doing so. Under U.S. leadership, the multinational naval coalition Combined Task Force 151 conducts counterpiracy operations in the Indian Ocean region, most recently rescuing a U.S. merchant captain taken hostage by pirates.

Moreover, the United States' systemic indispensability is being nurtured through two key initiatives. First, the United States has established regional "maritime operations centers" around the world, partnering with other countries to plan, coordinate, and execute a wide range of mutually beneficial naval actions. Second, the U.S. Coast Guard, in concert with the U.S. Navy, has closely collaborated with interested nations through the Maritime Domain Awareness project to study the global maritime factors that affect collective security, safety, trade, and environmental interests. U.S. energy and leadership are essential here. This is not decline but preeminence (without domination).

Taiwan's status, combined with other territorial and resource interests on China's maritime periphery, will leave China's navy primarily focused on Taiwan for the foreseeable future. Moreover, deploying a sustainable out-of-area expeditionary capability requires not only ships and ports but also extensive logistical support and high levels of training and experience. Ship steaming times to the Arabian Gulf from Chinese and Indian naval ports are 13 days and three days, respectively, making it comparatively easier for India to secure the sea-lanes there and respond to a crisis. India, which clearly enjoys a home-court advantage in the Indian Ocean, neither needs to solve the expeditionary problem nor possesses a strategic imperative similar to Taiwan that would bind its naval operations. No matter how much access to Indian Ocean ports China may gain, it cannot trump geography without a revolution in capabilities and strategic interests.

THOMAS CULORA
Chair, Warfare Analysis and Research Department, U.S. Naval War College

ANDREW ERICKSON

 

[Adux]

Prada,

Not only that, There is an article, quite a long one, in which the author talks about HOW India is ENCIRCLING CHINA, by using Mongolia, Kazakistan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Vietnam; also the US allies of Australia, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea. I remember as an excellent article

 

[p2prada]

Prada,

Not only that, There is an article, quite a long one, in which the author talks about HOW India is ENCIRCLING CHINA, by using Mongolia, Kazakistan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Vietnam; also the US allies of Australia, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea. I remember as an excellent article

Find it if you can. Will make a great read.

 

[ant80]

Diego Garcia and other islands were leased to UK from Maldives in a secret deal sometime in the 60s. After that in 1971, UK kicked out all the civilians from the island and setup the base with American help.

Right now, it is used mainly by the Americans.

IN may not build a base there for the time being. Perhaps in the future. The one they were offered was half civvie(owned by a resort) and half military. IN rejected the plan citing that reason.

Even if we get it, it won't be as good as DG. DG is the definition of a perfect island-harbor. Short strip of land on 3 sides with a short entry facing the North. It's perfect.

 

[Sabir]

:mornin:

Can anyone put more light on this?

India is paying $ 2 bn to Russia to build two Akula-II submarines which will be leased to India for 10 years with option to buy. One of them will be handed over this year (September). Akula-II comes under 4th generation of Russian SSN (Nuclear attack submarne) and most advanced of them, even Russia herself has no such submarines at present.

On the other hand new Type 093 SSN of China is comparable to Victor-III class SSN only which is of 2nd generation.

If it is true India will have the qualitative edge over China in case of SSN.:blum3::d_training:

Indian Gvt has given approval of building advanced SSN which is said to be much costlier than INS Arihant category. Will these will be like Akula-II?:113:

Please share if anyone has further information on this.