Indian nuclear submarines

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U233 is definitely fissile and can be used in bombs as well as nuclear reactors. The problem with it is its half life of 68 years which means uranium stored will continuously get depleted quickly. And it is more riskier due to higher chance of auto trigger.

U233 is not even 1% lighter than U235. This difference in weight is insignificant compared to the disadvantage U233 offers. A nuke made of U233 will not detonate after 10 years as 15% would have been depleted due to short half life. No one likes to use such material.

India is not reliant of USA or NSG to extract its Uranium indigenously. Indian Uranium is free from any restrictions and can be used as per Indian will



45 is not enough. We not only need high quality submarine but also large numbers of them. In war attrition rate is something one must consider. To be able to quickly make up losses, low cost submarines are also needed

In my opinion, we don't need submarines in large numbers but a right mix of them and better at sea time per submarine using 2 crews per submarine

I personally feel that 21 diesel electrics and 12 SSN with more nuclear boats to eastern side then the west, should be more than enough for taking care of all the mission profiles.

Indian naval fleet needs to be an overall balanced one and not be under sea heavy or carrier heavy kind, just balanced
 

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In my opinion, we don't need submarines in large numbers but a right mix of them and better at sea time per submarine using 2 crews per submarine

I personally feel that 21 diesel electrics and 12 SSN with more nuclear boats to eastern side then the west, should be more than enough for taking care of all the mission profiles.

Indian naval fleet needs to be an overall balanced one and not be under sea heavy or carrier heavy kind, just balanced
Once you deny sea access by submarines, the over sea operation becomes easy.

We must always be ready for a maximum war, not minimum deterrence at a quick notice. We have great number if enemies in pakistan, bangladesh, Malaya (Malaysia and Indonesia) and Gulf peninsula
 

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Once you deny sea access by submarines, the over sea operation becomes easy.

We must always be ready for a maximum war, not minimum deterrence at a quick notice. We have great number if enemies in pakistan, bangladesh, Malaya (Malaysia and Indonesia) and Gulf peninsula
It doesn't always work out that way. A navy needs to manage resources like there is only a certain amount of equipment they procure bcas when it reaches its end of life it needs to be replaced by new ones, and therefore a navy which we can keep modern then the region is good enough to tackle all the problems.

What you have suggested is not possible. Not all the countries will go to war at the same time uniting against a common enemy. Then that means there had been failure in diplomacy of the highest order. That situation has never been seen unless if u talk about world war 1 or 2. We as a nation aren't headed down that road so u can chill.

We don't need to go ballistic and spend too much on defence. What we are spending right now isn't sufficient but gets the job done slowly we will spend more and accordingly alter our plans for expansion of the navy.
If we go ur way then like China we will have countries grouping against us bcas they went ballistic in their naval program. India doesn't want that, we instead want to be net security provider, that means no friendly nation should ever fear us but our enemies must dread us.
 

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It doesn't always work out that way. A navy needs to manage resources like there is only a certain amount of equipment they procure bcas when it reaches its end of life it needs to be replaced by new ones, and therefore a navy which we can keep modern then the region is good enough to tackle all the problems.

What you have suggested is not possible. Not all the countries will go to war at the same time uniting against a common enemy. Then that means there had been failure in diplomacy of the highest order. That situation has never been seen unless if u talk about world war 1 or 2. We as a nation aren't headed down that road so u can chill.

We don't need to go ballistic and spend too much on defence. What we are spending right now isn't sufficient but gets the job done slowly we will spend more and accordingly alter our plans for expansion of the navy.
If we go ur way then like China we will have countries grouping against us bcas they went ballistic in their naval program. India doesn't want that, we instead want to be net security provider, that means no friendly nation should ever fear us but our enemies must dread us.
Why won't countries unite? Haven't you seen them uniting against Israel?

As long as there are enemies, there is no chilling. We can and must spend most of our money on defence, export oriented services and manufacturing while slashing the consumerism. People must learn to live in austerity.

Consumerism is the most meaningless way if showcasing GDP. Look at Japan, Brazil or Germany. Do you call them as strong countries militarily? They have high GDP but most of them are wasteful consumption.

We must provide security cover to friends like Myanmar, Lanka. But, as you said - enemies must dread us. Muslims are enemies. India is surrounded by many enemies.

We must not forget that Arabs supported Pakistan in 1971. Indonesia offered to attack Andaman in 1971.
 

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Why india today is quoting arighat? What happened with arindhaman
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...ne-k-6-submarine-launched-drdo/1/1104982.html
good information if true.
Arighat(S3 was not officially named Aridhaman. it was just media and followers called it Aridhaman.it was good to call HER by a name than S3)
K4 tests are due from Arihant. and another R&D test by DRDO some time soon (hopefully).
K5 5000 km range SLBM
K6 6000 Km MIRV SLBM project started.
S4&S4* under construction.
A new class of SSBN under design
wow too good to believe. but i hope it's all true ( ok atleast 70% true).
 

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good information if true.
Arighat(S3 was not officially named Aridhaman. it was just media and followers called it Aridhaman.it was good to call HER by a name than S3)
K4 tests are due from Arihant. and another R&D test by DRDO some time soon (hopefully).
K5 5000 km range SLBM
K6 6000 Km MIRV SLBM project started.
S4&S4* under construction.
A new class of SSBN under design
wow too good to believe. but i hope it's all true ( ok atleast 70% true).
Arihant is S2. What is S1?

Also, if the second submarine is Arighat, is there no Aridhaman?
 

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let's wait for some more information and reports to surface. than deside Arighat is true or not
What if People got it wrong from day 1
What if S-3 is Aridhaman only and Arighat is actually S-4...
And Supreme commander spent some time in Vizag.... I have a feeling some thing has been launched or commissioned while he was there...
 

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What if People got it wrong from day 1
What if S-3 is Aridhaman only and Arighat is actually S-4...
And Supreme commander spent some time in Vizag.... I have a feeling some thing has been launched or commissioned while he was there...
I have same feeling too. What if s-1 is Arihant both experimental and operational sub with 4 silos, Aridhaman and Arighat s-2, s-3 with 8 Silos and S-4 & S4* upcoming with 16 Silos. Here Arihant after all experiments will be converted into SSGN and will form technology base for SSN.
 

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S1 is land based prototype reactor located in Kalpakkam.
'S' stands for submarine, if that be the case, this is only 1/6 part of sub.
Talk of some old tech sub existed. That is why one naval Chief was fired, as he wanted tech audit to be carried out in NDA1' tenure. Then Arihant was sanctioned.

If this be the case. We have 3 subs in water. If first one was tech demo, second was supposed to be SSN, latter made mini SSBN. We need to be more careful in reading reports.

Lot of going on. Then meeting the eyes.
 

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'S' stands for submarine, if that be the case, this is only 1/6 part of sub.
Talk of some old tech sub existed. That is why one naval Chief was fired, as he wanted tech audit to be carried out in NDA1' tenure. Then Arihant was sanctioned.

If this be the case. We have 3 subs in water. If first one was tech demo, second was supposed to be SSN, latter made mini SSBN. We need to be more careful in reading reports.

Lot of going on. Then meeting the eyes.
you mean...
S1 Some TD submarine
S2 Arihant aka converted SSN
S3 Arighat
S4&S4* Unnamed
 

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Talk of some old tech sub existed. That is why one naval Chief was fired, as he wanted tech audit to be carried out in NDA1' tenure. Then Arihant was sanctioned.
Vishnu Bhagwat ? whats the inside story ? In wiki it's stated that he was sacked due to disapproval with govt with appointmnet of deputy chief of stuff
 

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