Indian Navy Ships in Vietnam, The new Frontier

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  1. Adux

    Adux Senior Member Senior Member

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  2. marshal panda

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    Since they are willing, we should base a few of our naval assets in Vietnam.
     
  3. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    I would feel that it is better to patrol the seas around so that one develops intimate details of the seas rather than being shore bound.

    By basing in foreign lands indicates hegemonic tendencies and maybe construed to be aggressive and unwarranted. Tthat is not a good sign for others around the area.

    It is better to be a threat in being than prove a threat.

    Further, India has no extra territorial ambitions.
     
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    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    But China as a nation including their Navy is a threat in existence (deployed) rather than a recessed threat in being !

    Oh, one has to climb up the escalation ladder.
     
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    Patrolling the seas is a challenge as it is, though China will not be able to complain.

    Let our trawlers fish in international waters.

    Let in some trawlers which are but electronic eavesdropping one!

    Flood the water with Indian presence.
     
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    I dont think it will happen in the foreseeable future.



     
  7. no smoking

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    Well, patroling around south China could not bring any effective threat to anybody given the power India navy could throw into this area.

    Without a military alliance with a country within this area, india cannot even find the excuse to threat anybody.

    Without a proper military support from any country with this area, indan navy's boat would be vulnerable to any military threat.

    So, the question is that: Is india powerfull enough to get involved in any military conflict in an area thousands miles away?
     
  8. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    India has an alliance with Vietnam and an offer for a naval base along with US and Russia

    Vietnam offers navy base to foil China - Telegraph

    Vietnam offers navy base to foil China
     
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    WPR Article | Vietnam, India Boost Naval Ties to Counter China

    Vietnam, India Boost Naval Ties to Counter China

    Even as Vietnam and China continue to conduct tit-for-tat naval maneuvers in the South China Sea, Hanoi has started making direct calls for foreign involvement in the two nations' maritime territorial dispute. While many commentators saw this as a thinly veiled invitation to the United States, it could also be a precursor to India establishing a permanent presence in Vietnamese waters. India has apparently responded favorably to Vietnam's offer of permanent berthing rights in Na Thrang port. The move would not only add military heft to India's "Look East" policy, but is also emblematic of a larger Indian effort to counter China's activities in South Asia.

    Although Vietnam more than held its own in its 1979 border war with China, its record against the latter at sea is less impressive, as incidents in both 1974 and 1988 show. Even in 1979, Chinese naval action against Vietnam was only checked by the presence of Soviet ships. Since then the asymmetry in naval power between China and Vietnam has grown exponentially in the former's favor, while Hanoi has lost its Soviet-era security guarantees. Although Vietnam's decision to hold live naval drills in the wake of the cable-cutting incident in mid-June was seen as a show of resolve, it did little to temper ongoing Chinese surveys in disputed areas. ...
     
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    For how long can China keep playing the cat and mouse game with her neighbouring nations in South East Asia? It looks like all these nations will enter in arms race to offset China's growing aggressiveness. What if China decides to take on Vietnam and Philippines together in one shot in SCS? Which countries will come to their help? Which way will Russia drift to protect her economic and military interest? If Russia comes to Vietnam's rescue, What will happen to Russia's long term contract to supply much needed energy products to China?
     
  11. Adux

    Adux Senior Member Senior Member

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    Believe it or not, There is only one way a crisis will be averted in the near short term future, that is the USA.


    The moment things start heating, the USN will just simply place itself in the middle, PLAN wont dare. Simple. Or we will have new barrier reef in South china sea.
     
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    As long as USA decides not to get involved. The bigger problem is that all these nations didn't combine together to play against China. This is a game that every one plays against the others: Taiwan warned vietnam navy with shooting warning, Malaysia navy harrass phillipine fish boats, on and on.


    Why would China takes them together? They are not in any military alliance? They don't even act together?

    Tell me what is Russia's economic and military interest in South China Sea? China didn't threat vietnam's homeland. China didn't threat to block the sea line. Besides, Russia's effort to turn that Shanghai organisation into kind of military alliance clearly indicate that its plan for near future: Sino-Russia vs USA.
     
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    Actually USA has refused to play as the middle man in this disputed island. Just weeks ago, USA told phillippin that its military obligation only limits to phillippine's homeland.

    Just keep this in mind: in south asia sea, it is the game that china vs the rest. It is everyone against the others. So, USA is reluctant to explicitly claim its support for anyone.
     
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    philippines's are committed, America has made no such claim, ofcourse they are not going to assert the philippines's right over the island, but when the philipinnes navy is under attack, you can bet your bottom dollar America will intervene. It is important for America to show to its ally in the region that it will intervene. China knows that quite well, which is why china hasnt dared to touch the philippine's
     
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    You are assuming the small countries cant think, and none of the countries care about Taiwan and Vietnam in a dispute scenario, but they do you. Simple because they know you are a larger as well as a imperialistic power.



    Are you listening to yourself chicom, the more you thrust on multiple parties in the same area at the same time, more they will be worried and have an incentive for an alliance. The asian alliance against China, is a reality that is going to happen in the near future.


    You believe the 'esclation' matrix is under chinese control, its not. Vietnam will and can decide how much the islands mean to them. Russians are a possibly ally to you, no doubt. But that still doesnt make you anything other completely ----ed in China seas. You just messed with too many people at the same time. USA moving into Australia is more than ample evidence.
     
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    Russia will not play a significant role in the South China Sea. If there's a shooting war between Vietnam and China it will merely sell more planes, ships, missiles, etc. to both. The US on the other hand will be forced to intervene (at least in the middle) between China and the Philippines. The only thing that's keeping US power in that region is the perception that it is the only capable guarantor of peace (the small countries in the ASEAN only wants peace and stability so that they can keep their economies growing). However, if it fails or is seen as failing in that duty then a lot of the countries in the region will lose hope on it and with it whatever is left of its power and prestige in the Pacific. Then one-by-one this ASEAN countries will start accepting China as the new undisputed master of their region. Personally, I don't think the US will allow a shooting war between an old small ally (but which is representative of the smaller but altogether important countries of the ASEAN) and an important trading partner (China) as it has invested so much in this region which it projects to be an economic powerhouse that its (through its private companies) must play a significant role in. In other words for the US its not only ego that is at stake in South China Sea it is also economics.
     
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  17. Koovie

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    Yeah sure.... we hardly have enough ships to patrol our own territorrial waters.........
     
  18. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    I don't think we have such issues, I am sure you are talking about coast guards..
     

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