Indian Navy 'No' to Nuclear-Powered Aircraft Carriers!!!

[SHASH2K2]

When an aircraft carrier can save space using nuke power why not a surface ship ??? We could even use a larger surface ship arm it with missile's and helis

Before I answer this question to you I would like to ask you a question. do you really know what a destroyer is and how it works ? destroyer is buils in such a way that it will destroy a ship even when its out of ammunition. Its used to ram the enemy ships in case there is no other option left. Any guess about possible side effects of a nuclear destroyer indulging in fight in vicinity of our country.

 

[plugwater]

Oh! so you read a few of my post's and make something out of me and tell me i m not knowledgeable.

HILARIOUS !!!
when I give you a piece of your own logic back you are not able to speak

I dint come here to prove anything.I was just debating, And adux started to rant about stuff.

You debate like you are in youtube. Anyway this whole conversion will be deleted if any mod see this.

 

[SPIEZ]

Before I answer this question to you I would like to ask you a question. do you really know what a destroyer is and how it works ? destroyer is buils in such a way that it will destroy a ship even when its out of ammunition. Its used to ram the enemy ships in case there is no other option left. Any guess about possible side effects of a nuclear destroyer indulging in fight in vicinity of our country.

Thanks for this info sir!!!!
I was just looking up at what possible ships we could use, that's it !!!

 

[plugwater]

Doesn't this seem like youtube debating plugwater ?????????????????????

not for you I guess

Mudiyala !!

What is wrong in that ? you are the one asked for 12000 tonnes frigates

 

[SPIEZ]

Mudiyala !!

What is wrong in that ? you are the one asked for 12000 tonnes frigates

When there can exist a 11,666 ton class frigate why not an a 12,000 frigate ?????????

 

[Yusuf]

The specification of surface combatants and their nomenclature has changed . Cruisers disappeared as their role and size merged with Destroyers.

A frigate is now anything less than 8000 Tons. Above that is a destroyer. Again the role of destroyers and frigates can be the same.

 

[Adux]

The specification of surface combatants and their nomenclature has changed . Cruisers disappeared as their role and size merged with Destroyers.

A frigate is now anything less than 8000 Tons. Above that is a destroyer. Again the role of destroyers and frigates can be the same.

Cruisers still exist in the form Tico's and Kirov's. Anything above 9000 is Cruisers, Anything above 6000 to 9000 is Destroyers, less than 6000 is Frigates.

 

[Yusuf]

Cruisers still exist in the form Tico's and Kirov's. Anything above 9000 is Cruisers, Anything above 6000 to 9000 is Destroyers, less than 6000 is Frigates.

Saar Ticos got decomed. Thrash why I said the role of cruisers has gone to a destroyer.

 

[Adux]

Saar Ticos got decomed. Thrash why I said the role of cruisers has gone to a destroyer.

Tico's arent decommissioned.

The role Yes, But not the designation. That is the point of debate here.

 

[nrj]

@topic

As BR rightly pointed out maybe IN is going ahead with 'Sea Control' strategy, delaying nuclear AC coupled with addition of advanced arihant class subs vindicates it.

If you are expecting something like Nimitz class with 90+ 5th gen fighters for IN then its time to wake up. Doctrines are different, naval mandates are different.

 

[Yusuf]

Yes the way ships are classified has changed. The Arleigh Burke class depending on the complement ranges from 8000-11000 tons. But it's a destroyer. The canceled Zumwalt class was to be at 14000 tons. The thing is the role of modern ships changed and the classification changed as well.
Still @ topic, it's not required to nuke power all ships. The US had a congressional thingy about exploring possibility of making if efficient and economical, all it's surface combatants with nuke propulsion. It didn't happen.

 

[Adux]

Yes the way ships are classified has changed. The Arleigh Burke class depending on the complement ranges from 8000-11000 tons. But it's a destroyer. The canceled Zumwalt class was to be at 14000 tons. The thing is the role of modern ships changed and the classification changed as well.
Still @ topic, it's not required to nuke power all ships. The US had a congressional thingy about exploring possibility of making if efficient and economical, all it's surface combatants with nuke propulsion. It didn't happen.

Yup still doesnt make a Frigate 12000 tonnage, does it.

 

[SPIEZ]

Yup still doesnt make a Frigate 12000 tonnage, does it.

Depends on who is calling it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_class_cruiser

 

[Daredevil]

Nuclear propulsion of Aircraft carriers make sense since they are large and life-cycle costs can be recouped partially but they still are expensive than the conventional aircraft carriers.

It is not feasible and economical to make destroyers or cruisers nuke-powered. They need replenishments quickly and therefore it makes sense to refuel the propulsion fuel at the same time. Nuke power gives no distinct advantage to such small surface combatant ships compared to Aircraft carrier which at least has the advantage of carrying more aviation fuel and weapons.

 

[Adux]

Depends on who is calling it

Who is calling it now son?

 

[SPIEZ]

Who is calling it now son?

As I said it varies from person to person or navy to navy.
doesn't necessarily mean one person is right and all the others are wrong

And same point when there can be a 11,666 ton frigate why not a 12,000 ton ????

 

[Yusuf]

It was found that while it was possible to mass-produce nuclear-powered warships, the ships were less cost-efficient than conventionally-powered warships, and the new gas-turbine-powered ships then entering the fleet (the Spruance class destroyers) required much less manpower. Following the end of production of this class, the U.S. Navy continued conventional destroyer/cruiser production, and it redesignated the DDG-47 class of guided missile destroyers as the CG-47 Ticonderoga class cruisers.

 

[bengalraider]

Firstly, I would request the mods to not encourage such personal argumentativeness between members get in the way of proper discussion here on the forum!
secondly
The definition of a frigate has varied greatly over the centuries with a few basic things remaining the same
A frigate is term used for a fast maneuverable lightly armed ship to be used primarily for escort duties and patrolling duties with limited anti-shipping capabilities. in today's age that denotes a ship primarily used for anti-submarine and anti-aircraft escort roles for a CBG or a cruiser battlegroup.
as for the name, well i believe the designation of a ship is primarily a decision to be taken by the operating navy, for example the french have all but done away with the term destroyer referring to their surface combatants as first class and second class frigates, for international norms however they maintain the pennant numbers with D denoting the ships that could be classified as destroyers internationally while F denotes the ships that can be classified as frigates internationally.

I believe someone above has commented on the USN classifying the Truxton, California, Virginia and bainbridge classes as frigates.well again similar to the french these ships actually carries pennant numbers beginning with a C signifying cruiser, for example the Bainbridge was classified as CGN-25.

 

[Armand2REP]

The benefits of nuclear power for CVNs are...

A) Unlimited cruising range
B) plenty of steam for catapults
C) low fuel life cycle costs
D) lower fleet logistics footprint

The downsides are...

A) lengthy downtime for reactor refueling
B) escorts that still have to be refueled regularly
C) high initial start-up costs
D) risk of radiation leaks or even catastrophic failure
E) costly disposal of spent fuel

France rejected the idea because a nearly two year down time for CdG is too long.

 

[asianobserve]

Or France rejected the idea of nuclear power for AC because they cannot do it right with CdG..? That supposedly jewel of the French Navy has been the butt of jokes for too long: