Indian Mujahideen founder Yasin Bhatkal arrested in Nepal: Reports

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IM wanted to nuke Surat, Yasin Bhatkal tells cops | idrw.org

Bhatkal told the interrogators that he had asked his Pakistan-based boss Riyaz Bhatkal, over phone whether the latter could arrange a small "nuclear bomb". According to him, Riyaz responded, "Anything can be arranged in Pakistan"."Riyaz told me that attacks can be done with nuclear bombs. I requested him to look for one nuclear bomb for Surat," Yasin told the officials.
I don't believe that it would be wise to simply dismiss this as unlikely without some analysis.
It would be a humongous task for the terrorists even to smuggle a so called (non-existent ?) tactical N-weapon from PA arsenal; if there are moles involved in PA, may be we can think of a bleak chance of that.

Don't you think direct involvement ISI/PA in this case, if at all we ought to believe YB ?
 

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IM wanted to nuke Surat, Yasin Bhatkal tells cops | idrw.org


I don't believe that it would be wise to simply dismiss this as unlikely without some analysis.

It can be assumed that Pakistan does have warheads that weigh about 500 kg or so and such a warhead would first have to be handed to terrorists by the Paki army (or stolen) and carried in a truck to Surat or wherever. The large size and weight make this possibility a little daunting for a terrorist. Many things are smuggled - but a 500 kg warhead suffers from the twin problem of being released/stolen in Pakistan and even if it is escorted to the border by Hafiz "oinkoink" Saeed there remains the problem of smuggling a large bomb into India.

More likely it would have to be a "small" bomb as mentioned by Yasin.

I had previously done some (open source) research into small bombs and had made notes. I located them and let me post some known facts.



Regarding the feasibility of Pakistan having such a bomb to be given away to terrorists, there are a few technical points


Even after that the yield is very low - just 20 tons (not kilotons) - which is the bomb load of 4 F-16s. 15-20 kg of Plutonium can be used to make 4 to 8 proper nuclear bombs of dozens of Kilotons and are wasted in a small bomb. Nevertheless, it is technically feasible although I suspect Pakistan cannot spare that much Plutonium for a single low yield bomb to be carried by a terrorist group.

I wonder if Pakis really do have a warhead that fits into a Hatf size missile (30 cm diameter) which can be smuggled by terrorists. As mentioned above this take a lot of Pu and gives a very low yield. In fact i suspect Pakistan may not have enough Pu to spare for Hatf missiles because they are so wasteful of Plutonium.

I have read that Pakistan was producing Plutonium at 10 kg per year in 2007. That means that by 2007 Pakistan could either produce two "proper" warheard of 5 kg Pu each, or wait 2 years to produce one low yield, small/miniature werhead with 15 kg Plutonium. Of course Pakistan may now be producing 30 kg Pu per year - and may have manufactured a few 'wasteful" small warheads.

The question is whether these small warheads can be smuggled out of storage and then smuggled into India. In would seem to me that the TTP would be as keen as the LeT to get a warhead. Only the TTP may find it easier to smuggle the warhead into areas in Pakistan or Afghanistan and use it there.

There has gradually been a merging of training and resource assets of Taliban and LeT - as reported in various media. And although the LeT is pro Paki army and the Taliban are partly anti-Paki army, it will not be certain where a stolen warhead will go. The Paki army could give a warhead to the LeT for "deiability" but it is difficult to claim that a nuclear bomb came from a madrassa in FATA. The best way of hitting Surat, or for that matter Delhi would be via missile rather than terrorist bomb. If a bomb that was being smuggled across the border is caught the Pakistan will not be able to live that down.


Just my thoughts..

What if terrorists start placing radioactive material(hazardous) in India & make people suffer in long term.
 

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Don't you think direct involvement ISI/PA in this case, if at all we ought to believe YB ?
I personally think that a jihadi delivered bomb cannot occur without Pakistan army/ISI connivance, using their own people. But for them it is risky because a missile is so much better as a delivery mechanism. Smuggling is difficult and if things fail en route it will nail Pakis. No one wil believe tht a nuke in India was created by some madrassa graduates. The bomb will have "Kahuta" written all over it.

This would be an extraordinarily useless route of nuking India and totaly pointless. It could happen but it will only make things worse for the Paki army. I do think they guard their stuff well because they will even now be worrying that CIA/RAW/Mossad will come dressed as PA or taliban to take away Paki nukes.
 

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What if terrorists start placing radioactive material(hazardous) in India & make people suffer in long term.
The questions are:
"How many people?"
"For how long?"
"What material will be used?"
"How will they smuggle it in?"
"How can anyone claim that it is their victory if people are simply dying of radiation illness in some area?"
"The source of radiation will soon be discovered because all radiation sickness will be coming from specific areas. How many areas can they try this? "

Even terrorist bombings have not helped jihadis or Pak army win anything Radioactive material won;t cut it IMO
 

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What if terrorists start placing radioactive material(hazardous) in India & make people suffer in long term.
Have to start installing scanners, radars , CCTV Cameras in all the big cities and even start training staff to over come in such situation .
 

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Have to start installing scanners, radars , CCTV Cameras in all the big cities and even start training staff to over come in such situation .
Surat has country's biggest CCTV surveillance project at the moment. And Ahmedabad police has decided to install 300 CCTV cameras at over 100 important locations across the city. At least someone is working towards security.

Surat eyes top award with CCTV project - Times Of India
Plan to install 300 CCTV cameras in Ahmedabad | NDTV.com
Rajkot police to install CCTV cameras in public places - India - DNA
 

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Surat has country's biggest CCTV surveillance project at the moment. And Ahmedabad police has decided to install 300 CCTV cameras at over 100 important locations across the city. At least someone is working towards security.

Surat eyes top award with CCTV project - Times Of India
Plan to install 300 CCTV cameras in Ahmedabad | NDTV.com
Rajkot police to install CCTV cameras in public places - India - DNA
Gujarat security forces were already alert and this credit of course goes to Narendra Modi . So are these CCTV camera's already installed ?
 

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Gujarat security forces were already alert and this credit of course goes to Narendra Modi . So are these CCTV camera's already installed ?
Yes at most part they are already installed. They even use UAV in some large public gatherings.


CCTV cameras made mandatory at petrol pumps in Amdavad | DeshGujarat


The Ahmedabad City Police Commissioner has issued a notification to make installation of CCTV cameras at petrol pumps compulsory. Other places where installation of CCTV cameras has been made mandatory are jewellery shops, Angadia, mall-multiplex, guest houses, restaurants, logging boarding, dharmshala, circuit houses, toll plaza, commercial centers and hotels above three-star. The notification specifies that such CCTV cameras must have night vision and high definition qualities.
 
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When a terrorist mentions Surat, he wants people to concentrate on Surat so he can actually go and bomb Indore or some other place. Bhatkal talking about nuking Surat means nothing.

That rubbish about "Anything can be arranged in Pakistan" in response to wanting a nuke is a cop out. It's not a yes. It's not a no. It's a typical subcontinental way of saying "I will try"

In fact India would do well to encourage Taliban or Taliban-like terrorists to attack nuclear establishments in Pakistan so that there is deniability and Pakis are shit scared because they don't know whether Taliban are trying to get nukes or whether RAW agents in Taliban costume are doing it. Naturally they will blame RAW, but they wil protect their nukes well. So there is every reason for India to go right ahead and pay off bearded terrorists to attack Paki nuclear assets.
 

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I hope it will not later be dismissed as 'bragging' as the CBI did to dismiss the case against Radia and her notorious tapes!
 

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Yes at most part they are already installed. They even use UAV in some large public gatherings.


CCTV cameras made mandatory at petrol pumps in Amdavad | DeshGujarat


The Ahmedabad City Police Commissioner has issued a notification to make installation of CCTV cameras at petrol pumps compulsory. Other places where installation of CCTV cameras has been made mandatory are jewellery shops, Angadia, mall-multiplex, guest houses, restaurants, logging boarding, dharmshala, circuit houses, toll plaza, commercial centers and hotels above three-star. The notification specifies that such CCTV cameras must have night vision and high definition qualities.
Deccani identity is suspect. For all we know, he could be an @I-G or some Dubai based Paki sympathizer. I request the mods to double-check his credentials & track him down.
 
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Yes at most part they are already installed. They even use UAV in some large public gatherings.


CCTV cameras made mandatory at petrol pumps in Amdavad | DeshGujarat


The Ahmedabad City Police Commissioner has issued a notification to make installation of CCTV cameras at petrol pumps compulsory. Other places where installation of CCTV cameras has been made mandatory are jewellery shops, Angadia, mall-multiplex, guest houses, restaurants, logging boarding, dharmshala, circuit houses, toll plaza, commercial centers and hotels above three-star. The notification specifies that such CCTV cameras must have night vision and high definition qualities.
Deccani identity is suspect. For all we know, he could be an @I-G or some Dubai based Paki sympathizer. I request the mods to double-check his credentials & track him down.
 
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I think its more about a dirty bomb than an explosive nuke. This also may be of older days while OBL was alive & AQ was alive and kicking and there were attacks on Pak bases & it looked like tangos would lay their hands on nukes. There were real fear at that time and there was a leaked pentagon report about US developing contingency for securing Pak nukes
 

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I have serious reservation that Pakistan or ISI would allow terrorist to lay their hands on the nuke paraphernalia.

It would be double edged and to their own peril.
 

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That statement by him was a stunt to get votes .
Nonetheless, he is a skunk, who has done immense damage to the Muslims of India by claiming that Bhatkal is being harassed because of his religion, when it is well known and documented that he is a terrorist and a handmaiden of ISI.

I don't think Muslims are delighted with his line of logic.

In fact, such stupidity has only put them in a spot, especially when a large majority are loyal and law abiding!
 

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Nonetheless, he is a skunk, who has done immense damage to the Muslims of India by claiming that Bhatkal is being harassed because of his religion, when it is well known and documented that he is a terrorist and a handmaiden of ISI.

I don't think Muslims are delighted with his line of logic.

In fact, such stupidity has only put them in a spot, especially when a large majority are loyal and law abiding!
Bhatkal is a terrorist and he should be treated like a terrorist as he is having blood of Indians on his hand and whatever Kamal Farooqi said have damaged himself and his reputation but is clear that he was not the voice nor representing Indian Muslims . He is a politician and the bad luck of Indian Muslims is this that there are leaders like him who make silly statement .Seems He and Mulayam Singh were having certain issues and this was an attempt from him to damage Mulayam Singh . Now Mulayam Singh is more close to BJP

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/90-in-congress-support-bjp-claims-mulayam-singh-yadav-465388


By the way , this Kamal Farooqi is set to joining AAP .

Sacked SP leader Kamal Farooqui set to join AAP - Hindustan Times
 
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Nonetheless, he is a skunk, who has done immense damage to the Muslims of India by claiming that Bhatkal is being harassed because of his religion, when it is well known and documented that he is a terrorist and a handmaiden of ISI.

I don't think Muslims are delighted with his line of logic.

In fact, such stupidity has only put them in a spot, especially when a large majority are loyal and law abiding!
You would be surprised Sir :)
 

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