Indian Missiles are Superior to Chinese in Quality, Says Expert

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  1. Drsomnath999

    Drsomnath999 lord of 32 teeth Elite Member

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    After India successfully testfired its first Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) Agni-5 a week ago, there were mixed reactions from all over the world. Although the West certainly acknowledged India's missile growth, the other end of the world does not seem very happy about it.

    It definitely changed certain equations between troubled neighbours India and China. Some of the immediate psychological effects were already felt in media reports from both countries.
    The official response from the Chinese government was more or less straight whereas the test did not go down well with the Chinese media. Much of the media reported how the Chinese nuclear arsenal is quite stronger than that of India and how India is no match for China.
    However, Srikanth Kondapalli, an expert on India-China relations and a professor in Chinese studies at the Jawaharlal Nehru University, is of a slightly different opinion.

    Kondapalli says: "No doubt when it comes to quantity, Chinese missiles are overwhelmingly superior. But when it comes to the quality of the missiles Indian missiles have a slight advantage over Chinese missiles due to certain reasons."
    China has 47 ICBMs, 800 IRBMs (Intermediate-range Ballistic Missile) and 1,500 SRBM (Short-range Ballistic Missiles).
    Kondappalli cites three main factors on why Indian missiles have a slight advantage over its counterpart.

    Propellant
    Most of the Chinese missiles are liquid propellants whereas many of the Indian missiles are solid propellant including the recently launched Agni-5.
    Liquid propellants take 10 days to 2 weeks to fill the barrels in order to ready the missiles and there is no surprise in doing that and this will be a delayed strike. But Indian missiles can strike anytime from anywhere.


    Accuracy
    When it comes to accuracy level of the missiles, once again the Indian missiles score over the Chinese. The Circular Error Probable (CEP) of India specific "DF21" missiles which are deployed in traditional Tibet is much lower compared to India's China-specific missile.
    The Chinese missiles are in the inaccuracy range 600 metres while Indian missiles have an inaccuracy of 20 metres. This means Indian missiles have a higher probability of hitting the target right.


    MIRV

    Many of the Indian missiles have the technology of Multiple Independently Targetable re-entry Vehicle (MIRV) in them. In simpler terms, one carrier can launch more than one missile, say 10 missiles and at 10 different targeting locations. And this cannot be shot down.
    The effectiveness of such missiles were already seen when Saddam Hussein used them during the Iraq-Israel war. Once again very few Chinese missiles have this technology when compared to India.
    Kondapalli says: "Imagine if you throw 10 stones and I will retaliate with only one stone but both are creating the same effect on each other. India is in such an advantage."
    Amid fears of the western powers joining hands with India, China is trying hard to avoid such situation.
    "In the background of the talks happening between India, US and Japan, in the background of 10-year defence cooperation in 2005, in the background of the 123 civil nuclear agreement between the US and India, in the background of Malabar exercises, the Chinese statement on India getting trapped by the western powers looks obvious," says Kondapalli.
    Also, even the official position of the Chinese is trying to divert attention. The recently launched Agni-5 which has a range of 5,000 kilometres is bound to be China-specific. Even though the official information from the Indian authorities does not state it in so many words, it seems quite clear while reading between the lines.
    On the contrary, Chinese authorities claim the recent Agni-5 has a range of 8,000 kilometres and it is Europe-specific. This is clearly to divert global attention from the real issue and trying to isolate India from other nations, according to Kondapalli.
    None of the government statements, journals, policies and not even the India media stated it is Europe-specific.
    "Although no one would want to state it explicitly, the subscript is the US, India and Japan are ganging up against China. This could be the logical inference," Kondapalli says.
    Adding to that, China has territorial disputes with Japan and has disputes with India over oil wells and staple visa issues. These frictions are constant with all other nations which is because China did not maintain a healthy relationship with them, concludes Kondapalli.

    Exclusive: Indian Missiles are Superior to Chinese in Quality, Says Expert - International Business Times
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    Which Indian missile has a CEP of 20 metres? I don't buy that. That must be a typo.
     
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    Shaurya has a CEP of 8 and recent Prithvi tests they claim 5?
     
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    There have been no tests of MIRV technology. Some say the 10 satellite
    launch was a proxy for MIRV technology proof? Chinese have MIRV'd
    DF-31 with 3 warheads.
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    Ah, I see. Agni-5 has a CEP of a few hundred metres. DF-21 with a range of 3000 km wouldn't compare with Prithvi. Prithvi has a very high accuracy, and that is true.
     
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    Drsomnath999 lord of 32 teeth Elite Member

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    well it was stated in article not my fault ,

    but u see agni series have around 40 m CEP
    MissileThreat :: Agni-2
     
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    well same thing here also i think that was biased report by the author
     
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    Snakeoil.The Chinese haves tested and deployed platforms.We just tested some platforms.This is not how a realist thinks.Heck the Chinese have an entire regiment called the 2nd artillery regiment
     
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    For ICBM's the accuracy can be off by even a few hundred meters and it
    may not matter because the coverage is much greater. Russians are known
    for having terrible CEP but they view it as irrelevant in the context of coverage.
    Even the newly developed Iskander has a poor CEP but it is irrelevant. Russian
    SCUDS in ww2 had terrible CEP but they still helped beat the Germans.
     
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    yes, our missiles are highly accurate, means less CEP values.

    for ex:

    shaurya missile have CEP less than 30 meter

    brahmos missile have CEP less than 1 meter

    prahaar missile have CEP less than 10 meters

    watch this video as an example

     
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    It is a corps...not a regiment.....
     
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    No, not blaming you. I saw the article. See this link and then see the video in the quote. Satish Chander is very clear, if not precise, about the range of Agni-5.
     
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    drdo claimed that latest agni 3, agni 2 prime/agni 4, agni 5 all have CEP in few hundred meters and not in thousands. some even said, that CEP is less than 100 m.
     
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    Fellow forumers we are going paki here Iam afraid.The Chinese have tested,proven and Deployed platforms add to that a doctrine around which they fashioned their delivery vechicles.Delusions aren't healthy for us
     
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    I agree. The context in that news article was DF-21. Comparing DF-21 with Prithvi is not appropriate. Also, I doubt Indian missile with that kind of range, ~3000 km, has a CEP of 20 metres.


    Thanks for the confirmation. Yes, that is my point. I want to look at comparable missiles, and you have cited the correct ones.
     
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    The DF21 has a highly accurate Anti Ship ballistic missile variant. It is highly questionable that the accuracy is less. Also the DF21 is a solid fueled missile, which is located in Tibet.

    The Chinese were the first to develop an anti ship ballistic missile.

    P.S. And the USN had already developed an ABM for their ships, don't know how they predicted it.
    DF-21 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    I agree completely.

    Two biggest mistakes that many Indians are making are:
    • Seeing Agni-5 as an ICBM, which it is not. India has neither tested, nor proven any ICBM capability so far.
    • We do not have any TEL. And no, that Ashok-Leyland hauled erector is not going to get us anywhere. We need a uni-body, non-articulated, cross-country capable TEL.
     
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    well we cant be like them for sure ,but ur right on the latter part India has still a long way to go but we have achieved some good success till date now I hope we improve much further & we would do it for sure
     
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    Add to that They have gone conventional with their ballistic missiles and a very dangerous doctrine at that
     
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    Drsomnath999 lord of 32 teeth Elite Member

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    • well it's range cannot be stated as ICBM but if u modify it's location of launching it can be a ICBM as it can target europe if launched from kashmir

    we dont have any TEL .Is it so ???
     

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