Indian diplomat held for espionage for Pakistan

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  1. youngindian

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    27 Apr 2010, 1433 hrs IST

    A senior Indian diplomat of the level of Second Secretary in the Indian High Commission in Islamabad, has been arrested for passing on Indian state secrets to Pakistan for two years.

    IFS Group B officer Madhuri Gupta was working in the press wing of the Indian High Commissioner, according to intelligence sources. It is unlikely that she was a lone spy operating on her own. But there is so far no confirmation of any others arrested or interrogated.

    Internal security establishment is extremely cagey about the role of Indian diplomats abroad. The four independent anonymous sources who confirmed this information to TIMES NOW, were reluctant to reveal exactly what kind of information the alleged mole was privy to. However suffice to say for now that the officer may have been on the payrole of the Pakistani establishment, and has been allegedly passing on crucial strategic information belonging to India to Pakistan.

    The Ministry of External affairs sources said an official statement to be giving out the complete facts in the case. However sources did mention that Gupta, who is also an Urdu interpreter and a staffer for 30 years who has served in Delhi, Kualalumpur and Islamabad, has confessed to the crime.

    This is the first ever case of a senior Indian diplomat being arrested for such a crime. What is more, Indian agencies believe that the 45-year-old is just a part of a massive Pakistani spy ring and there may have been others in the Indian diplomatic establishment also engaged in counter espionage. Currently the exact nature of the inducements to Gupta for her services is not known.

    But the revelation is shocking and will have wide ramifications, coming as it does as the SAARC summit is underway at Thimphu and will doubtless have to be taken up with Pakistan at the highest level. The extent of damage done will also have to be assessed.

    "She is in the information wing, which is isolated from the political wing and not in the most vital departments and could not have been privy to the most sensitive of documents. However it is a penetration. We earlier had a penetration by East Europeans, but this is a first from Pakistan," said former MEA Secretary K C Singh reacting to the news.

    Gupta was apparently being tracked for nearly a year by the Indian government both in Islamabad and in New Delhi at her residence, before being carefully brought over to India on the excuse of SAARC related work. She was detained in New Delhi 2-4 days ago, interrogated by a special group comprising members of different agencies like the Intelligence Bureau, RAW and Delhi police, before being arrested.

    Government sources say Gupta, who was liasoning officer between Indian and other embassies in Islamabad, has risen through the ranks and was engaged in espionage for the Pakistanis for about two years. She has been produced in a local court in East Delhi where she stays, and remanded to 10 days police custody.

    "I am not trying to discriminate on the basis of class, but a person who has not been properly trained and brought up in the values of the services can perhaps be more suceptible to foreign inducements easily. Nevertheless, given the fact that all those working in Islamabad know that they are under watch and being targetted by Pakistani intelligence which is on the lookout for chinks - that they were able to penetrate the embassy is shocking," said Union Minister Kapil Sibal. He said it was imperative to ascertain what information had been leaked.

    She was in visa wing of Islamabad liasoning off bet Indian and other embassies in Islamabad. - living in East Delhi, an East Delhi residnce surveillance mounted for the first time. Produced in a hush way in city court, remanded to custody. She has been booked under the Official Secrets Act.

    Speaking in the development, TIMES NOW strategic affairs expert Mahroof Raza said, "The Indian government would have found it extremely difficult to hold an Indian officer in the High Commission if she was working for the Pakistani government. She would be having patrons in the Pakistani system who would make it extremely difficult to get her back and put her through legal and administrative proceedings. This is perhaps the first time an Indian diplomat has been caught spying oversdeas and working against Indian interests. This gives a completely different dimension to Pakistan's desire to know what India is up to on foreign policy."

    http://www.timesnow.tv/Indian-diplo...spionage-for-Pakistan/articleshow/4343933.cms
     
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  3. Daredevil

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    Very unfortunate and I hope there is not much damage is done. Such people should be punished and humiliated in the society.

    There should be now more surveillance on the people who are in sensitive positions that could endanger the security of the country to avoid major surprises.
     
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    I am all for Surveillance. But then it should be done so discreetly, otherwise the Trust will be lost and people dont like anyone snooping down their back. The Government should keep a check on all suspectible areas. This is a very sad incident!
     
  5. sayareakd

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    It quite a feet for the Indian counter intelligence to get hold of IFS officer stationed at Pakistan working for Pakistani. She was successfully brought to India, now she will face trail for the her actions against the GOI. It is quite interesting that RAW and Foreign Ministry has allowed this to happen in first place.

    she was working right under their nose.
     
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    This is indeed a big catch, she was right under Indian Nose & i liked this line, 'This gives a completely different dimension to Pakistan's desire to know what India is up to on foreign policy'
     
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    she was doing this for two years and was under observation for last one year, therefore it is highly unlikely that she would be allowed to give correct information in last one year. This false information sharing must have resulted in her arrest.
     
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    quite possible, but if you read it you will find this line as well Indian agencies believe that the 45-year-old is just a part of a massive Pakistani spy ring and there may have been others in the Indian diplomatic establishment also engaged in counter espionage. Currently the exact nature of the inducements to Gupta for her services is not known.

    If true & she's a part of it, I highly doubt if she will stand the torture & will spill the beans sooner or later, or may be the official is only exaggerating the success
     
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    lets wait and see what happens, all persons working in that period in Pakistan comes under the scanner, their background would be check and recheck. They will surely be withdrawn from Pakistan and any desk connected with Pakistan in future.

    As far as torture part is concern, please read carefully it said that they have done investigation for a year. That is long enough time to get evidence against her, while at her interrogated she will give detail of how she give those state secret and how she has become agent working for pakistan.

    I would say it is major loss for Pakistan.
     
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    She was right Under Indian nose & I think i can assume for now that she do know about the other Indian involved in the game(she ain't at a very small post) ;)

    Investigation & surveillance for 1 year can mean May be Indians used her to send wrong info or may be she was a hard nut to crack & Indians were double minded about her loyalty but it will be interesting to know how she became a Pakistani agent


    not so fast, another possibility is that Pakistanis knew that she has got no temperament to work & consequently ISI intentionally busted her 'completely' as she was no more useful for them after all she was under observation for one year & ISI might have got some Double Agents in Indian agencies, One year ain't a short period, lets wait & see
     
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    In IFS office who was working for Pakistan's ISI is not longer their to help Pakistani Govt, it means loss and nothing else.

    it also means loss from Indian side as lot of sensitive data must be compromised. but their will be due investigation.
     
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    I doubt this news by typiclly hyped indian media.I hope it didnt turn out like samba spy scandal for her.Coz indian intelligence seluths are good for nothing and to cover up their mistakes they implicate the innocents Like the IB/MI did with some fine ooficers of 168th bdg.in samba spy scandal.
     
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    I can just hope that she is not being wrongly implicated by the higher ups.
     
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    She was under the scanner for a good one year speaks a lot (if such an information about “1 year scanner” being circulated is true), which means all her contacts with in the embassy would have been counter checked during this period and sanitized and only her being called back and then being arrested shows the breach from opposing side was not beyond a certain point and certainly not massive as is being reported until and unless more such arrests have been made and have gone unreported or people have been moved to other countries from Pakistan in the past one year and have been put under arrest or gone missing during this one year timeline.

    What this also means is for one year information not all that relevant but accurate and misleading information which could come to our use at some time would have passed on through her and all this being done without the other side getting a wind about it is commendable.

    The other possible reason I think on the intention behind deliberately leaking the info through press of such an operation under way for one year is targeted at the Pakistanis just to cause confusion on the kind of info they have laid their hands on, how accurate is the information provided by her and how reliable was she will now be the questions from their end.

    What is more worrying for me is the station head for raw who was instrumental in passing on the information to her who would further pass on to the pakisstanis

    Now if this person has been breached then this is of massive scale on which I have my serious doubts about but if it has been then raw has been done in with big time and shows us some serious loopholes in their working but if through him we were ourselves leading the counter measure then there is nothing to worry about, and job well done by raw.

    The top guys seem to be clean. Sudhir Vyas the current high commissioner, has grown through the ranks, was prior to this a deputy HC to Pakistan, and has had a stay there for a very long time period and this investigation happening successfully with a run time period of 1 year with the other side not getting a sniff about it, certainly shows the breach has certainly not reached the top most level, but still all this happening with is Pakistan is damn worrying, one has to give it to the Pakistanis there, they did it right under our nose and in the most sensitive location where one would like to believe there is heightened surveillance on all our officials.
     
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    Well even if the ISI knew about the IFS officer under observation, even then ISI would have love to give asylum to the IFS officer, thereby causing greater public embarrassment to whole of GOI. This defection by higher GOI official would have caused unbearable public embarrassment for GOI.

    Now by turning the table GOI has now counter attack GOP.
     
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    A mole in an Indian mission can do great damage

    Madhuri Gupta, the indian diplomat arrested for spying in the Indian mission in Islamabad [ Images ], may not have access to sensitive information, but she has access to the high commission and could have planted transmitting devices and tapped phones, writes B Raman.

    Madhuri Gupta, second secretary in the press and information wing of the Indian High Commission in Islamabad, has been arrested on a charge of working for a foreign intelligence agency. She was called to New Delhi [ Images ] ostensibly on consultation duty in connection with the SAARC summit opening in Thimphu on April 29 and taken into custody after her arrival.

    Apparently, she was not aware that she was under suspicion. If she was, she might not have come to New Delhi. Instead, she might have fled to some other country to escape arrest and interrogation as Major Rabinder Singh, an alleged mole of the Research & Analysis Wing, did in 2004.

    It has been reported that Home Secretary G K Pillai, has confirmed her arrest. He has not given any other details. There are two possibilities -- she was either working for Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence or for the intelligence agency of a Western country through its intelligence officer working under the cover of a diplomat in Pakistan. I would not rule out the second possibility. Western intelligence agencies, particularly the Central Intelligence Agency, had in the past tried to recruit Indian diplomats posted in Indian missions abroad through blackmail or offer of money or offer of resident status in their country. Madhuri Gupta is reported to be an unmarried woman in her 40s.

    The ISI normally uses money or blackmail for recruiting India [ Images ]n diplomats posted in Pakistan. In the 1980s, when Rajiv Gandhi [ Images ] was the prime minister, the ISI had allegedly recruited a senior Indian Armed Forces attache by trapping him with the help of an attractive woman in Karachi and then blackmailing him with her help. He was called back to India under some pretext and removed from the armed forces. He was not prosecuted.

    If the allegations against her are correct, Gupta might have been recruited by the agency which was using her either as an information agent or as a service agent. An information agent consciously supplies intelligence to which he or she has access. A service agent facilitates an intelligence operation of the recruiting agency in various ways.

    As a Second Secretary in the Press and Information Wing, Gupta might not have had much access to sensitive intelligence. But, as she was working in the high commission, she would have had access to various offices in the Indian High Commission for performing furtive tasks such as planting bugs in the offices of the high commissioner and other diplomats, attaching transmitting devices for transmitting the telephone conversations of the high commissioner and others to the officer who recruited her etc.

    If she had been working as a service agent, she would have caused immeasurable damage by enabling the agency that recruited her to collect electronically a lot of sensitive intelligence. It would never be possible to quantify and assess the extent of damage caused by her. She herself would not know since she would be unaware what kind of intelligence had been going on to her controlling officer through the gadgets which she had planted in the Indian High Commission on his direction.

    In the 1970s, a British woman had been recruited by the Indian Embassy in Paris to work as a telephone operator. She had helped the MI-6 (the British intelligence service) in clandestinely recording the telephone conversations of all Indian diplomats posted in Paris. She had caused considerable damage before she was detected and sacked.

    B Raman
     
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    Mata Hari to Madhuri Gupta: The league of women spies

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    Arrested IFS officer Madhuri Gupta may not be in the league of famous women spies Mata Hari and Virginia Hall, but the allegations that she was passing on sensitive information to ISI agents is a rude shock to the Indian establishment.

    India's external Intelligence agency Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), like any other snooping organisation of the world, has a history of agents who had switched their loyalties towards countries where they were working.

    Mata Hari's name became synonymous with espionage and the Dutch dancer, whose real name was Gertrud Margarete Zelle, was executed by a French firing squad in 1917 on charges of being a spy. Virginia Hall was an American spy during the Second World War and the Gestapo (Nazi political police) considered her the most dangerous of all allied spies.

    The most infamous case which shook RAW out of reverie was of Rabinder Singh who became a mole of American intelligence agency CIA and flew to the US despite being under RAW surveillance.

    Singh, who initially worked with the Indian Army, held a very senior position with RAW handling Southeast Asia. By the time the agency sensed his affiliations, Singh too smelled a rat and escaped to the US through Nepal.

    In 2007, RAW had to call back its 1975 batch officer Ravi Nair from Colombo because of his alleged "involvement" with a woman agent of Chinese intelligence acting as honey trap for him.

    According to reports, after the Rabinder Singh incident, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had sought details of RAW officials who have either gone missing or changed their loyalties.

    A list of about nine such officials was presented before him who deserted the organisation since it was formed in late 60s to serve Indian intelligence purposes.

    Official sources say a personal assistant to a very senior RAW official disappeared in London in the early 90s.

    Ashok Sathe, another official was also believed to have defected to the US after his mysterious disappearance. Sathe was said to be behind burning down of RAW office in Khurramshahr, Iran.

    In the early 1980s a senior field officer disappeared in London. As attache in Kathmandu, he was alleged to be liaisoning with foreign intelligence agencies.

    http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/mata-hari-to-madhuri-gupta-the-league-of-women-spies-21077.php
     
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    Shame on people lyk Madhuri Gupta,,,,,,,,,,,i just get the feeling ,,,,,dosen't somebody feel ashamed of being a traitor to his or her on country......
    How many of them are still doing the same job without being caught,,,,man this is alrming!!!!!
     
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    I am not sure how good or bad is the raw at the task handed out to them of keeping an eye on our own people stationed overseas in our embassies but if they do not keep sanitizing the premises from time to time then there are glaring flaws especially if such procedures are not followed in sensitive locations like Islamabad, Washington, Moscow, telaviv, London, Beijing etc and in that case why just this lady a lot of staff gets recruited from local population which intermingles with Indians posted there and such local staff can easily be made to do the work and be the contact points if we have our eyes shut and the whole place could be bugged but are we that foolish to let things go that bad and even after having fallen in the pit on various occasions? I guess not and b raman is trying to take the things a little to the extremes here or so I hope, seriously, and if this lady was under the scanner for one year as is being highlighted then I am sure things were not as bad as is being made out to be in that article.

    Well with cia it’s a case of once bitten twice shy (doodh ka jala chaaj ko bhi phoonk phoonk ke pita hai) and most embarrassing of all for the GoI since their act of espionage was all over the press, I will be more concerned about kgb and the most nasty of them all the mossad, who are master spies and I have no doubt these people have the deepest footholds in India and amongst our policy makers, something that rarely ever gets reported and I doubt isi has anywhere as good a reach, and hey don’t forget the chinese, they “charm” you by hook or crook, a success story scripted though some huge successes they have scored economically overseas by grabbing very lucrative deals which has helped increase their influence to the extent Europeans seem to be one of their biggest victims who have helped their agenda on various world bodies.

    In this episode one wonders why the station head raw, rk sharma, has not been put under interrogation/called back because from the reports appearing he was certainly playing a much bigger role than the lady arrested. This part of the puzzle is not falling into place.

    It’s a bad murky world this whole spy world, you just don’t know whom to rely upon!
     
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    Madhuri Gupta, the indian diplomat arrested for spying in the Indian mission in Islamabad, may not have access to sensitive information, but she has access to the high commission and could have planted transmitting devices and tapped phones, writes B Raman.
     
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    India needs a counter-intelligence task force. Throughout our history, this great nation has been brought on its knees by traitors who sell off their motherland for peanuts. I hope Indian administration takes note and sets up a counter intelligence agency with full access to anything they need to uncover this ring.
     
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