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My brother is out in the market to buy an suv
He ahs not decided yet but its most likely be a hexa

The other contender is honda b-rv(petrol)..............top end model
Get a Hexa, hands down bro, its fit and finish is just over anything Honda has ever made, its safe, powerful, and has got a very premium feature list with 10 speakers (JBL) 6 airbags etc, and also leather finished dash.
 

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Get a Hexa, hands down bro, its fit and finish is just over anything Honda has ever made, its safe, powerful, and has got a very premium feature list with 10 speakers (JBL) 6 airbags etc, and also leather finished dash.
Ball is in his court...................................................................
 

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Hexa is a very well built and on the old Aria platform .. I had taken a trip in Aria in Ladakh it was very well tough master in those horrible road conditions.. The Hexa is also very well designed and the fit and finish is sure class above Honda BR-v.. Don t think honda knows to design car especially a SUV for indian Road conditions ..Honda cars are good for city smooth road conditions only ..

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Hexa is a very well built and on the old Aria platform .. I had taken a trip in Aria in Ladakh it was very well tough master in those horrible road conditions.. The Hexa is also very well designed and the fit and finish is sure class above Honda BR-v.. Don t think honda knows to design car especially a SUV for indian Road conditions ..Honda cars are good for city smooth road conditions only ..
Honda surely isn't keen on its Indian lineup, apart from City, its not giving required attention to its other car's fit, finish, FE and performance. Not to mention that Honda City is loosing to Maruti Suzuki Ciaz now.
 

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Hexa is a very well built and on the old Aria platform .. I had taken a trip in Aria in Ladakh it was very well tough master in those horrible road conditions.. The Hexa is also very well designed and the fit and finish is sure class above Honda BR-v.. Don t think honda knows to design car especially a SUV for indian Road conditions ..Honda cars are good for city smooth road conditions only ..
He lives in mumbai and is an urban driver..........
having ridden an aria for some 300km,it felt very good,the feedback from the steering and chasis was brilliant.....
 

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Something you dont get to ride in patna everyday
The rider was from bangalore and was on a himalayan expedition,he has already spent 30k on fuel
@captscooby81
Today i found a rider who is on a himalayan trip on a zx-10r........
He has spent some 30k on fuel already
 

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then ask him to go for something Compact SUV not Hexa mumbai madness traffic he will get exhausted driving such a big car .. unless he has usage of long weekend trips to the western ghats with family and friends ..

He lives in mumbai and is an urban driver..........
having ridden an aria for some 300km,it felt very good,the feedback from the steering and chasis was brilliant.....
 

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then ask him to go for something Compact SUV not Hexa mumbai madness traffic he will get exhausted driving such a big car .. unless he has usage of long weekend trips to the western ghats with family and friends ..
Last time he stepped out of mumbai(like on a car/bike) was in 2015...................Dont expect him to do roadtrips
 

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Eek wish him good luck with his differential. Those cars are notorious. $6500 in parts and labor if it goes out here in the US
Lol I'm sure he can afford it if he can afford an E class in Singapore. Just to put it into perspective, the BASE model E class is 270000 sgd on road. For that price you can buy the TOP of the line all bells and whistles 911 turbo S in the USA. Or you can buy the regular 911 turbo and have 30000 usd spare cash. Remember that was for the base model e class. This chaps E class costs 310000 SGD on road. That's over 220k USD by today's rate. If you see a dude in a Lambo in Singapore, you can safely assume he's capable of buying out the entire City of Islamabad.
 

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I am dying for this car...........................................................................................................................
Oh god... why? Short? Check... narrow? Check... high riding? Check... out of place styling? Check....

I disapprove of this mediocre effort. I have come up with better designs back at school. Tata can do so much better, a decade ago, they had this in the palm of their hands and then blew it.

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115 Bhp with suspension tuned for handling. TEN years ago.

I expected atleast styling to be done right. But no. The proportions are all messed up. Worse if they are going to export it.
 

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Oh god... why? Short? Check... narrow? Check... high riding? Check... out of place styling? Check....

I disapprove of this mediocre effort. I have come up with better designs back at school. Tata can do so much better, a decade ago, they had this in the palm of their hands and then blew it.

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115 Bhp with suspension tuned for handling. TEN years ago.

I expected atleast styling to be done right. But no. The proportions are all messed up. Worse if they are going to export it.
Is it just me or is the stance of that car fucked up? The back looks much higher than the front
 

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Ok, looks like TATA Tigor is doing well too, its been just 2 months ever since its sale began and its already selling 3000-4000 units, as of March and April 2017. While Tiago is maintaining 4000-5000 units mark and hexa 1000-1500 units mark, not bad for just launched cars. TATA certainly is moving in the right direction.
 

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Hope TATA and Mahindra can get bigger market share.Even Maruti Suzuki is 74% Suzuki-owned
Yeah but a common man is much more attached to Maruti as a brand, they refer to Swift as Maruti Swift, Maruti Baleno etc and not as Suzuki Swift, that is why till now, Suzuki hasn't dropped Maruti name from its brand name in India, as it drives the nation's love for their cars.

Mahindra is currently third largest Indian car manufacturer after Maruti Suzuki and Hyundai while TATA is 6th largest after Mahindra, Honda and Toyota.

Source:- TBHP

 

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Unable to find latest one right now, will PM it as soon as got it later
Previous year's detailed report link mentioned below:
http://m.timesofindia.com/india/36-...e-Indians-Govt-survey/articleshow/2853178.cms
http://www.hecr.tifr.res.in/~bsn/GOOD/indian.txt
LOL!! so this is your American report link...One is toilet news & another one from typical bragging internet indian trying to fool inferiority ridden gulibal indians with fake stats & information.

Here something for you % Of people working for NASA by ethnicity

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Very sad development, We were thinking about buying a Chevy back in 2011. Glad we didn't.:frown:

General Motors to stop selling cars in India; customer support to continue

GM has less than 1% share of passenger car sales in India
Sohini Das | Ahmedabad May 19, 2017 Last Updated at 10:14 IST



One of the early entrants in the Indian automobile space, US-based General Motors (GM) will stop selling cars in the domestic market by the end of 2017, and would use its local manufacturing base at Talegaon (near Pune) to focus on the export markets.

The company informed its Indian employees of the decision on Thursday and also said that it would continue to support Chevrolet customers and honour warranties. GM India said it will work closely with affected customers and dealers on a transition plan. The company would continue the technical centre in Bengaluru, which works for global operations and employs around 2,500 people. Its Talegaon plant too employs around 2,500 people.

Terming it a "tough but necessary decision", GM India President and Managing Director Kaher Kazem said that on the export front the company is optimistic about 'path ahead'.

As such, the Indian arm's sales for the financial year (FY) 2016-17 had fallen to a meagre 25,823 units, taking the market share of GM India to around 0.85 per cent in the domestic passenger vehicle space. Exports, on the other hand, have surged 89 per cent during the same period to 70,969 units.

Kazem said that the final decision was taken recently, although it was many months in the making. Business Standard had reported in March the company was likely to make an exit from the domestic market and turn Talegaon into an export hub.

The company said the decision follows a comprehensive review of future product plans for GM India. It is part of a series of actions taken by GM to address the performance of its operations worldwide. "Through the review, which began in June 2016, the company determined its greatest opportunity in India to drive shareholder return rests on focusing on exports from India," it said in a statement in Ahmedabad.

Stefan Jacoby, GM executive vice-president and president of GM International, said, “We explored many options, but determined the increased investment originally planned for India would not deliver the returns of other significant global opportunities. It would also not help us achieve a leadership position or compelling, long-term profitability in the domestic market.”

As GM moved to consolidate Indian manufacturing at its Talegaon assembly plant, the company ceased manufacturing at its Halol plant on April 28, 2017. Negotiations continue on the asset sale at Halol. GM's partner and Chinese auto major Shanghai Automotive Industry Corp (SAIC) is in fray for the Halol assets. However, recently it has clearly indicated that the deal with GM India is subject to settlement of labour disputes.

Talegaon plant has an installed capacity of 160,000 units per annum and currently makes the hatchback Chevrolet Beat for export markets, especially Mexico and other Latin American markets. Elaborating on the export plans from India, Kazem said that apart from the hatchback Beat which now gets made in Talegaon, the company would soon introduce a sedan variant of the same for export markets. He, however, clarified that there were no plans of bringing in any other GM brand to India in the foreseeable future.

The buzz around GM selling its Talegaon assets has also been gaining ground off late. Sources indicated the company might sell assets to a player who would continue to contract manufactured vehicles for GM India. While Kazem did not wish to comment on speculations, he nonetheless said, "There might be a collaboration in the future, but as of now we cannot talk on what kind of collaboration that could be."

There are around 150 dealers with the company at the moment and 200 service centres including dealerships. Kazem did not wish to give out details on the inventory lying with dealers or the transition plan. He claimed that spares would be available for existing customers.

The move to turn Talegaon into an export-only plant will not impact GM Korea which is an already established export hub for the company. India would be exporting vehicles mostly to Mexico and Latin America, while GM Korea will export to North America, Austalia, South East Asia etc.

On the global front, the Detroit-based automobile major has said on Thursday that it will take a $500 million charge in the second quarter to restructure operations in India, Africa and Singapore. Moreover, it would also cancel the earlier plan of investing $1 billion in India to develop new products.

Since Mary Barra took over as GM chairperson and CEO in 2014, the company has been taking steps to focus on the profitable markets like China and North America, and restructure the not so profitable operations. For example, GM recently sold its loss making European operations to French carmaker PSA Group.

GM India Run so far

1928: GM began doing business in India, assembling Chevrolet cars, trucks and buses

1954: It ceased its assembly operations; GM continued with tie-ups with Hindustan Motors to build Bedford trucks, Vauxhall cars, Allison Transmissions and off-road equipment

1994: GMIPL was formed as a joint venture, owned 50 per cent by Hindustan Motors and 50 per cent by General Motors, to produce and sell Opel branded vehicles

1999: GM bought out the Hindustan Motors interest

2000: GMIPL moved its headquarters to Gurgaon

Until 2003: GMIPL continued to produce Opel cars at the Halol facility

2003: GM started production of Chevrolet vehicles at Halol and also opened its technical centre operations in Bangalore

2006: Purchasing and financial support services for GM operations located outside of India were included in technical centre operations.

2006: GMIPL began construction of a second vehicle assembly plant in Talegaon

2008: Talegaon began production of Chevrolet vehicles in September

2009: GM announced restructuring of its India operation into a 50-50 venture with Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation of China, which is the partner of GM's main venture in China
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2012: General Motors-Chevrolet announced that it has increased stake in its Indian subsidiary to 93% by buying 43% from its Chinese partner SAIC for an undisclosed sum.

2015:

a. GM said it would shut the Halol factory and spend $1 billion in expanding its Talegaon factory in Maharashtra

b. On July 29, GM India gave a notice to workers at Halol stating the company would shut down the plant by June 2016

c. Options included selling out the asset as well

d. Closure deadline extended beyond June 2016 for another year till March 2017

2017:

a. In March, Company announced final date of closure as April 28

b. On May 18, GM announces to stop sales of vehicles in India by the end of 2017; to focus on exports only from India

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...tomer-support-to-continue-117051800863_1.html
 

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Is it just me or is the stance of that car fucked up? The back looks much higher than the front
Its the rear roll center , which is higher than the front roll center , because of which generally the the rear end of a sports coupe is taller compared to front end. the instantaneous center about which moment acts is at a significant height in a SLA suspension ( double wishbone ) so the line drawn through that IC to the RC at the front defines the overall dynamics of the suspensions.. hence to facilitate the balance of different forces acting on the suspensions , the vehicle structure is designed to have a heightened rear end.
 

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Its the rear roll center , which is higher than the front roll center , because of which generally the the rear end of a sports coupe is taller compared to front end. the instantaneous center about which moment acts is at a significant height in a SLA suspension ( double wishbone ) so the line drawn through that IC to the RC at the front defines the overall dynamics of the suspensions.. hence to facilitate the balance of different forces acting on the suspensions , the vehicle structure is designed to have a heightened rear end.
Our designers suck. Our design teams are nowhere as mature as their counterparts from the west. Our product Engineers are well known for half assed jobs. West and Japanese companies use suspension of all types from ancient torsion bars to latest F1 layout. They seem to have no problem in making great looking cars. Do you know the reason why? They will call a half assed design as a half assed design and reject it like a prostitute with STD. Indians don't do that.
 
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