Indian Army's Motive Behind Ceasefire Violations

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  1. Kashif

    Kashif Regular Member

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    This is not a first time in the history of Pakistan that Indian Army violated ceasefire, when Pakistan Army and Pakistan Rangers retaliate they start screaming and shouting on Media about ceasefire violation by Pakistan Army.

    India calls herself the Champion of Peace, but its exertion express different story. This is a one side story that one contravene and other reciprocate but most of us don't know what its B-side is? What is a reason behind these violations? Why they escalate the tension and then how all of sudden everything becomes normal? what are the motives of Indian Army behind this escalation? This is a question that appears in mind of every one who lives either near border or LOC.

    India is the 4th biggest buyer of weapons of mass destruction in the world, and after this new BJP government they want to run more faster than ever in this race.

    We have to understand basic facts/reasons behind these violation, 33 percent people of world who live beneath the line of poverty live in India, and we know how much of Indian population don't have the facility of basic commodities. Despite of all these basic problems, India spent a lot of money on Defense budget; whenever they are near to ink a new deal with Israel/Russia or USA they escalate tension on border either on Chinese LAC or on Pak side via ceasefire violations or intrusion to justify the grant of huge amount for the procurement of arms.

    Indian Media always played very big role in this campaign, not only state TV Dordarshan but their private media groups also work under their command. They create hype, play false stories and create terrifying situation and war mongers take advantage of this situation. One more reason behind this Indian aggression is our Prime Minister Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif's attitude, like he reacted on Modi's invitation, never talked about Kashmir and also accepted their request to not meet with Huriyyat Leaders on his visit. Modi felt that now game is over, PM of Pakistan is under pressure and he won't speak for Kashmir in upcoming UNGA session. No doubt India was not expecting that Prime Minister Muhammad Nawaz Sharif will raise Kashmir issue in UNGA.

    But PM of Pakistan raises Kashmir issue once again and blamed India for another "missed opportunity" to address outstanding issues by cancelling the foreign secretary talks. India want to divert attention of world from her brutality in Kashmir, Its been 67 years Indian Army is continuously busy in genocide of Kashmiri Muslims.

    One more reason behind these violation is ongoing successful operation Zarb-e-Azb of Pakistan Army against terrorist in North Waziristan Area, 90 percent of areas has been cleared and hundreds of terrorist's hideouts has been destroyed. Most of terrorist who were present in North Waziristan are dead or they ran away towards their handlers sitting in Indian consulates in Afghanistan near Af-Pak border. Pakistan Army recovered concrete evidence of involvement of RAW from NWA. Now at this time when Army is focusing on this operation, this border tension is being created by Indian Army for distraction.

    This type of Indian aggression was expected after a rise of Hindu nationalist party BJP, most of BJP MLAs are member of extremist organization RSS/VHP and supreme court of India has already conveyed to PMO India that he has criminals in his cabinet, even Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Home Minister Rajnath Singh are active members of RSS. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi is well known as an anti Muslim and anti Pakistan politician worldwide. He has shown his negative thinking towards Pakistan in many interviews. On recent ceasefire violation by India, Reuters reported the official version of India. What they reported is as under:-

    "The message we have been given from the prime minister's office is very clear and precise," said a senior Indian Home Ministry official. "The prime minister's office has instructed us to ensure that Pakistan suffers deep and heavy losses".

    Now what?? India will mobilize her troops? they'll do again what they did after Mumbai attacks or back in 2001 after Parliament attacks?? The answer is no...! They won't. So its time that India should stop playing with fire and stop this anarchy in the greatest interest of region and precisely for two countries Pakistan and India. India should also stop her act of aggression in Kashmir as Kashmir being an International disputed territory needs an International plebiscite under the flag of United Nation.
     
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  3. anupamsurey

    anupamsurey Regular Member

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    pakistan is so progressive, advanced, broad minded, secular, super power that Indian army gets jealous a lot.
    pakistan is a big democratic country which is also an economic power in its own sense that we Indians get heart burn.
    since pakistan is a regional power and muslims and other minorities live very peacefully there that we want to derail this peace and progress, so we send terrorists and zehadis to create imbalance in society.
    India has hijacked paki planes, attacked paki parliament, and also attacked its economic hub, India also wants to derail the democracy by disturbing the peaceful voting process which has been running since 6 decades in pakistan.
    India has miserably failed to defeat pakistan in previous 4 wars, which were of course initiated by india and pakistan was a mere victim of Indian aggression.

    get some life dude and ask your media and news to go to border and see what is the actual condition there......seriously pakistani army even doesnt allow its media to visit loc and see what is there, the media persons will be shocked when they see terrorists manning the posts instead of zahil paki army.
     
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    Srinivas_K Senior Member Senior Member

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    It is Pakistan that is running towards UN and other countries. As usual Pakistan always tries to accuse what it does. This is called reverse psychology and we are witnessing it from across the border for almost 67 years.

    Yes Pakistan only knows India's B-side in this world, how amusing !!

    Don't worry soon India will achieve self sufficiency and will manufacture arms in India only :thumb:

    How many times we have heard these baseless arguments, 3% defence budget is no where near the amount that is being spent on welfare schemes.

    How many agreements happened in the last decade and how many cease fire violations occurred ??

    Is this some kind of delusional comment ??

    Pakistani Govt. supports terrorists and India retaliates through media and diplomacy. This is a reaction to the Pakistani aggression through terror.

    Exposing Pakistan dubious nature and creating awareness is the part of the media campaign.

    The statistics are all out there, India stands for democracy in Kashmir and Kashmir will be an integral part of India.

    The main blame of kashmiris problems must go to Pakistan for creating terrorism and making Kashmiri lives difficult. Kashmir used to be a paradise until 1980's when these self styled, self proclaimed GOD's warriors entered and created problems.


    If that operation is successful then, congrats !!

    But deep down inside you people know that most of the terrorists escaped into Afghanistan before the snow season.

    BJP was in power when Parliament attack happened !!

    The aggressor needs to be dealt accordingly !!

    Who is fire here ??

    Or is it a threat??

    Time for Pakistan to change otherwise things will become difficult for sure !!


    Says who??

    Pakistan??
     
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    Yes and Pakistan is an economic powerhouse with no poverty. Sharif raised Kashmir issue in UN, so Modi almost committed suicide out of fear. We get it.
     
  7. Kashif

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    i know very well how much your media is free, Pakistan allowed UN observer group to visit LOC but India didin't why? you people can lie to your people but everyone is not blind.
     
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    My request to moderators that this thread should be deleted. Newcomers should not be allowed to create threads.
    @Ray, @pmaitra.
     
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    Nor are we naive to believe that we didn't violate ceasefire, either. Sometimes it's to achieve short-term security objectives. Violations begin from Pakistan, because the flow of militants is in one direction (Pakistan to India), and Pak Army provides covering fire to the infiltrators.

    We never called ourselves that. When pushed to the wall tactically, we bite. We bit your former "East Wing" off, and liberated it as Bangladesh. Our policy is peace through superiority, not peace through a delusion of "equality" or parity between Pakistan and India in the region.

    Sometimes it's to prevent mobilization of your troops so they don't get in position to offer covering fire to infiltrators, in others, it's to achieve certain short-term objectives. A majority of the violations still do begin from your side.

    Because infiltration occurs under the cloud of normalcy, when infiltrators hope the Indian forces are at their least level of alertness. Then they get spotted, and then all hell breaks loose.

    Oh absolutely, when you're sharing a border with two nuclear states, maintaining a credible deterrence is prudent. And one of the reasons the BJP was voted to power was because they were for increased armament.

    Poor amount for lesser proportion of our population, than they do of yours. Our average income is 1.5X yours, and our economy is 6 to 7 times the size of yours. I won't even get into an economic comparison, because Pakistan is not even in India's league. Despite that, we will continue to maintain a Pakistan-defeating military 24x7x365.

    Our private press is so large, that there's no scope for manufacturing news. That can't be said for Pakistani media, which when it speaks out, is shut-down by the ISI. Our media is exponentially freer and more credible than yours.

    You don't deserve those talks. We don't owe you those talks. Keep your side of the LoC and Border clean, and then we'll think about talks.

    Muslims all over India, including Kashmir, enjoy a superior quality of life, freedoms, and economy, than Muslims of any kind living anywhere in Pakistan. Forget Pakistani minorities.

    Why would we want Pak Army, which has been thinned on Pakistan's eastern border as a result of Zarb-e-Azb, to return to the eastern border? Get your head under a CT scanner.

    *yawn*

    And yet India voted them to power. lol

    And a majority of India felt they needed someone like him in office. So when you talk ill about Modi, you talk ill about the Indian people.


    Yes, everyone is aware of that, and everyone is fine with it. Till now, it was a proportionate retaliation policy that played out at the border. Now it's disproportionate retaliation, so India achieves peace through superiority, not through reciprocity. The fact that you and your government is pissing-and-moaning about it proves that it's working.

    If there is another Mumbai attacks, you can bet that Pakistan will be made to suffer several orders of magnitude more than we will have. India will test Pakistan's deterrence, even if it escalates into further losses on our side.

    We'll lose some, you'll lose all.
     
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  10. Srinivas_K

    Srinivas_K Senior Member Senior Member

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    LOC is free for any one to visit !!

    Why Pakistani media is not allowed after the cease fire incidents??

    Kashmiris from the other side are the witness to the launch pads and terror infra that is setup !!

    Pakistan has no business in Kashmir dispute, it is between Kashmiris and India !!
     
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  11. Kashif

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    who said media was not allowed to visit LOC in Pakistan, are you blind? go to youtube and check media reports live from LOC. also UN group visited our side but India didn't allowed to visit them,
     
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    very well, you can disagree with me, expose if i lied in this thread.
     
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    The clashes were started by Pakistan so that Kashmir issue will get International attention

    First point Pakistan allowed UN so that it can do rona infront of UN observers and show the damage caused by Indian Shellings.

    Second point: India responded and caused some damage to your terror infra and other check posts, soon after wards you media was not allowed so that the moral of your country stays high.

    Third point India needs no rona in this regard, since Kashmir is an internal dispute, so no UN will be allowed !!
     
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    I think he should be allowed to discuss, there is nothing to hide but the lies of them will be exposed !!
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Anarchy?

    Coming from a failed state and a rogue state called Pakistan where its FM says that the Govt should not act against 'friendly militant'?

    Imagine the womb of international terrorism citing scriptures?

    Plebiscite?

    Educate yourself and check the United Nations Security Council Resolution 47, adopted on April 21, 1948.

    The resolution states that - in order to ensure the impartiality of the plebiscite Pakistan withdraw all tribesmen and nationals who entered the region for the purpose of fighting and that India leave only the minimum number of troops needed to keep civil order.

    Get educated and then come and discuss and not waste bandwidth of the forum and time of others.
     
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    so thats your logical answer of my Why India not allowed UNMOGIP? impressive
     
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    COOL down guys why u care abt these f!lthy rats oooops pakis they live in their DENIAL mode .Ask him to give any credible source (plz credible not paki media :rofl:) than information from his behind. Until unless GTFO here :wave:
     
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    Srinivas_K Senior Member Senior Member

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    Check out my post I have edited it !!
     
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    very well you mentioned UN resolution no 47,
    resolution also said that India should also withdraw her Army and only minimum army should be left to maintain Law and Order, 7 Lac Indian Army, dozen of BSF battalions CRPF is required to maintain Law and Order?
    it also said India should recruit local Kashmiris in Forces. Tell me how many Kashmiri Muslims has been recruited?
    except this one demand that you quoted, all others are for Indian State.
     
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    sorcerer Senior Member Senior Member

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    Pakistan Doesnt Lie at all :lol: :pound:
    BInladen was killed inside Pakistan near your trustworthy people's compound.. :lol
    Osama bin Laden Killed by U.S. Forces in Pakistan - ABC News

    Pakistani establishment and media said the terrorist Bin Laden was not Inside Pakistan. :lol:
    Everyone knows that Pakistan is a big lie.
     
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    sorcerer Senior Member Senior Member

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    UN resolution should be adhered by both the countries. NOt just by India.
    Pakistan has its rogue army + infiltrators+nonstate actors+fanatics waiting to infiltrate into India. So India inorder to secure peace has its share of soldiers which India thinks is sufficient to maintain order.

    2,000 Pakistan terrorists at international border | Deccan Chronicle

    The problem of Pakistan is that, with our sufficient BSF in place, Pakistan cannot work its terrorism into Indian side. Thats the big deal behind "Adhering to UN resolution " and justify your build up of Terrorists in uniforms on Paki side of fence.
    :bs:
     
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