Indian Army wants futuristic vehicle for its Armoured corps

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  1. Lions Of Punjab

    Lions Of Punjab Regular Member

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    ARMY REQUESTS VENDORS FOR DESIGNS FOR FUTURE READY COMBAT VEHICLE

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    The Indian Army is planning to design and develop a new generation, state-of-the-art combat vehicle platform for populating its Armoured Fighting Vehicle fleet in the coming decade. This vehicle, which will be called the Future Ready Combat Vehicle (FRCV), will form the base platform for the Main Battle Tank which is planned to replace the existing T-72 tanks in the Armoured Corps. It is also planned to subsequently develop other need-based variants on this platform.
    The FRCV is planned to be a Design and Development project, to be executed in three stages as under:-
    • Design Stage
    • Prototype Development Stage
    • Production Stage
    The details of all stages are given to the vendors, with a view to identify probable designers / design bureaus who can undertake the Design Stage of the FRCV Project, it was mentioned in Request Document that interested parties are requested to forward information on the work they can undertake.

    http://indianarmy.nic.in/Site/FormTemplete/RFIView.aspx?MnId=4Dyq3lRe2Wn02nLJCl51Uw==
     
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    Tender float kiya kaya ??? Lolllllllll
     
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    dunno.....only ROI for new MBT issued 2-3days back
     
  5. Lions Of Punjab

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    State-of-art New battle tanks to replace India’s ageing T-72 MBT

    http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/story/93913.html

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    The Army is planning to replace its existing fleet of Soviet-origin main battle tanks, which have been in service since the mid-80s, with a family of modular armoured-fighting vehicles that would be developed in collaboration with the industry.
    “The Indian Army is planning to design and develop a new generation, state-of-the-art combat vehicle platform for populating its armoured fighting vehicle fleet in the coming decade. This vehicle, which will be called the future ready combat vehicle (FRCV), will form the base platform for the main battle tank which is planned to replace the existing T-72 tanks in the Armoured Corps,” a request for information (RFI) of the Army stated.

    The army envisions to begin inducting the new platforms by 2025-27. It is also planned to subsequently develop other need-based variants like bridge-layers, anti-mine trawlers, command posts, armoured ambulances, engineer vehicles, self-propelled gun platforms and recovery vehicles on this platform.

    The Army looking towards developing a new family of armoured vehicles also indicates that the main battle tank, Arjun, developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) does not meet its future requirements, even though orders have been placed to equip some regiments it. The Army and the DRDO have been at loggerheads about the performance and capability of the Arjun.

    At present the T-72 and the T-90, both procured from Russia and assembled in India, are the mainstay of the Indian Armoured Corps. The T-72 has undergone several upgrades to enhance their capability. The T-90 began entering service in the last decades.

    The RFI also states that a ‘future’ combat platform design must cater to ‘future’ battlefield environment and technological possibilities. To address the future scenario and the envisaged force profile, the FRCV, which would be in the “medium tank” category, needs to be developed on a modular concept with a high degree of flexibility in a manner that, as a tank platform, it can address the varying requirements of different terrain and weather configurations. At the same time it can provide the base on which a ‘family of vehicles’, catering to the operational needs of various arms of the Army.

    The new tank’s firepower should be well matched to contemporary tanks in engagement ranges, all weather day/night fighting capability, depth of penetration and variety of ammunition. It should have very high all-round protection.




    So FMBT is now running with another name (FRCV) .
     
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    Rowdy Co ja kurwa czytam! Senior Member

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    Pathetic.... India Doob maro ..... tank to khud bana lo

    :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
     
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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    Naah... jooo know we have to support economy and people of other countries albays first.

    India comes later but foreign maal and people first.

    It's imperative to provide jaaaabs to foreigners and not Indians and that too Defense.

    Let us be dependent to foreigners always. :tea:
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    This is what Vina said in BR >>

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    The order of +300 T-90MS is probably thrashed so these people are making such programs as passive signal for imports ..

    Just like IAF`s MMRCA and BTA programs, This FICRV is heading towards the same fate and the winner is pre selected is Russian of-course ..


     
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    In this respect Parrikar requires the advice of SA to DM before setting into operation the FICV program with such useless and vague set of specs!!!

    For me it looks exactly like a case for importing all the Armata combat platforms with out explicitly saying so. No wonder they waited for Armata's debut before releasing this FICV specs!!!

    The word medium weight is dead giveaway!!!

    What if tomorrow chinese manage to develop a 60 yon plus heavy MBT superior in each respect to Russian Armata and give them away to Pakistan at friendship prices?

    Most of thes generals who formed this absurd spec would have long retired and we will be shopping for a heavy western tank from Germany as well!!!

    Medium weight and heavy protection with highest gun capacity never go hand in hand. Even crew members are not specified!!!

    Doesn't the IA know how many crew members it will need in FMBT from the long history of operations in indian desert conditions?

    Why such a monstrous absurdity of an FMBT or FICV specs is thrust down the throat of this nation?

    If the IA doesn't know exactly what it wants, it can honestly say it and ask for expert scientific help in this matter before deciding on such vague specs!!!

    Unbelievable , that it is happening in a free democratic country teeming with millions of Engineers!!!

    With our national mainstream media hung up on the coat tails of every politician's useless quotes for 24x7 TRP survival race, such monumental scandal of FICV specs will sail through with ease!!!

    Imagin if IN has floated a global tender for Arihant class N subs (assume they are freely available on the market) with specs on these exact lines,,,

    It will read like,

    We need a N Sub with
    1.highest range ballistic missile ,
    2.tipped with highest megaton yield (most in number MIRVed),
    3.with medium weight category,
    4. with the highest speeds and stealth at the same time at an affordable cost

    INS Arihant would never have seen the light of the day!!!

    The guys who framed this "futuristic scandalous FMBT specs" should have graduated from world renowned "AXACT university " from Pakistan with distinction perhaps!!!

    Fun times ahead for FMBT!!!

    may be they are desperately hoping A.K. Antony to become the next DM in future UPA govt to pull of such a stunt!!!!
     
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    Take a look at these requirements of future FMBT or FICV from IA!!!!.

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    Salient features of FRCV asked for in tender documents are

    Dimensions: Army wants FRCV to be in ” Medium Tank ” Category. Which will allow the new platform to be used on existing infrastructure and terrain of Indian western border and will be easy to transport.

    Crew: The number of crew members should be such that they can perform their designated tasks, and operate all onboard systems without hindrance and without any overlapping of duties/ responsibilities.

    Fire Power: Should be well matched to contemporary MBTs in engagement ranges, all-weather day/night fighting capability, depth of penetration and variety of ammunition. Should have very high accuracy [High FRHP (First Round Hit Probability)] and very high lethality [High SSKP (Single Shot Kill Probability)], at par with contemporary MBTs.

    Protection: Should provide very high all-around protection, including ballistic, active and any other form of anti-armor technologies, to ensure survivability in the contemporary and future battlefield.
    Should incorporate signature reduction technologies.
    High response evasion/ anti-detection system.

    Mobility: Should have an adequately high power-to-weight ratio to enable all onboard systems to be run simultaneously, without disrupting the agility and mobility of the vehicle. Should have high operating range, comparable to contemporary MBTs.
    "

    They cant specify the number of crew, weight , gun diameter, or anything in particular,

    but DRDO or any other developmental agency requires all these facts to design the tank!!!

    This it seems to be done on purpose, because they can reverse these requirements any day to reject any tank, much the same like the scandalous MMRCA which wobbled along and died a natural death!!!

    Such obfuscated requirements mean only a fully developed foreign tank will be imported , because local developer CVRDE has to be given all those specs to finalize the design and avoid the acrimony later of the design being not in conformity with the users requirement!!

    If a 3 men crew 50 ton tank is offered IA can refuse it saying that it has overlapping crew functions and lesser armor protection.

    if a four men crew 60 ton plus tank is offered, they can refuse it by saying that it is not a medium tank and , they can cite another 50 ton tank in international market to conveniently say that it has non overlapping crew functions and suits terrain operation and lesser weight condition!!!

    SO it means only one thing IA has no concrete ideas about what it exactly wants from its FMBT!!!

    Time manohar parrikar uses some creative thinking like the last time it was used in DRDO head's job.

    It only reinforces the long held view that IA's FMBT program is designed from inception to be vague and can be interpreted in future in any way to reject a local product and go in for thousands of tank imports from abroad , to retain the tag of the largest importer of tanks forever!!!

    So NSA like structure consisting of technically knowledgeable guys drawn from defence forces and scientific community to be headed by SA to DM is needed to define the specs of future combat platforms of IA, IAF and IN.

    It is time old retiring very senior defence personnel (whose forte is combat operations and not technical expertise) to be relieved of this onerous responsibility of crystal gazing into the future defence tech platforms,

    Will Modi govt oblige?
     
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    Even at DFI would have written a better spec sheet with numbers and detailed specs.:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
     
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    The IA does not even the faintest of inclination to make FMBT in india.

    They haven't said the word Armata, other than that everything else is said.

    The question if tomorrow china develops a superior heavy tank in every respect to armata and offer it to PAK at friendship price and IA has to face them in Rajasthan desert, what will be the odds,

    very brave folks at IA believe that ,"tomorrow will never happen!!!"

    And they also believe that their bridging equipment and civilian infra in indian border area will remain the same even after 30 years with no improvements to support a heavy FMBT!!!
     
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    Hopefully Parrikar would put a stop to these babus.... He has a tech degree and is adept at administration ..... he may just let them have their moment and block it like the Rafael deal.
     
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    Problem is it should happen fast, Already this FMBT program is long delayed with intentional delay of SPECs release by IA(they waited till Armata made its debut).

    Armata's very small turret wont stand tomorrows long rod APFSD rounds. And relying solely on ERA or NERA is stupid , because there may be a chance that tomorrow some one comes up with a thermobaric type round which can stripe this flimsy ERA or NERA.

    So heavy armor protected heavier tank will always be better equipped for survival, we need not follow the russian tank philosophy for ever!!
     
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    They will buy fully developed foreign tank and after it, they will spend a fortune on it to make it suitable in India.

    And all these in the name of "can't compromise in security and defence matters of this nation".
     
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    modi is going to Russia in November.....so we need to buy something from them.....ab kuch kharidna hi hai to armata hi thik hai
     
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    The army at the top has become too compliant and corrupt, at least in case of procurement. I wonder if they have the charge of field formation by mistake, India's defences will be in a mess.

    I even wonder the the training manuals of India SF that were supposedly found in LeT's dens in Karachi after 26/11 were not supplied by some SOB sitting at the top.
     
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    From BR,

    "The new tank necessarily needs to espouse hybrid electric vehicle technology and incorporate digital vehicle electronics (vetronics) . . .

    . . . For mobility, in order to achieve ‘extraordinary’ acceleration, the Army observes that it is necessary to couple the conventional diesel engine of the proposed tank to a turbine. The ‘Hyberbar’ engine will be able to accelerate from zero to full power at 1,500 hp in 2.8 seconds, while a conventional diesel engine requires 8-12 seconds . . .

    . . . an active suspension system with sensors, control units, and a hydraulic power source in combination, to automatically alter the suspension characteristics to more closely match the speed of the vehicle and the terrain profile, especially in Indian terrain conditions . . .

    . . . Explosive Reactive Armour Now . . .

    . . . Infra Red (IR) detectors, target identification systems, laser warning systems, radar warning receivers and devices to coordinate their signal and instantaneously control a countermeasures suite . . .

    . . . electronic guns . . . high velocity KE missiles with heavy-metal, long-rod penetrators . . . high/medium-energy level (100 kJ) vehicle-mounted laser . . ."

    These were the previous FMBT specs from IA!!!!

    From livefist blog(he calls Active protection system (APS) as Automatic protection system!!!, so much for a defence "eggspurt!!!")

    Only martians can develop all such tech in 10 years. Wisely DRDO said no. No wonder parrikar took a dig a IA for its specs resembling marvel comics stuff while having the former chief by his side in a public function!!!.


    Now with Armata out, they have tailored their specs to armata leaving out electronic guns, hybrid electric power,jet turbines and absurd acceleration conditions because they were not on Armata
     
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    This is not even science/engineering. F*cking SiFi writers from Star Trek write more believable specs. :lol:
    This piece of shit, deceptively called RFI should be handed to the supreme idiot Rahul Gandhi, to be torn away.
     
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    Is the party line in the forum this that The DRDO should draw specification for the futuristic MBT ? What if the specifications go beyond any existing tank ?

    OK let me put it this way - who drew specifications for Arjun-1 and Arjun - II and whether those were drawn keeping in view T-90 ?

    When were those specifications drawn and If those specifications have been met ?

    If this project is undertaken by DRDO how much time will it take? What will be shape and level of tank technology by then?

    Are those specification good enough to meet that challenge ?

    These are some of the questions one should answer before demonstration of "Shyapa" ?:cowboy:
     
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    Army have given some specs of FMBT already ..

    Now where and who seeded out FRCV rfi for ?

     
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