Indian Army Tank 2020

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  1. Bhadra

    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    Broadsword (Col Ajay Shukla) has asked contributions on Tank designs for future in his blog here:

    Broadsword: The Great Indian Tank Design Challenge

    I have contributed my vies as follows:

    Have a look at the Borders of India
    Bangladesh 4,053 km (No Tanks)
    Bhutan 605 km (No Tanks)
    Burma 1,463 km (No Tanks)
    China 3,380 km (No Tanks)
    Nepal 1,690 km ( Very limited application)
    Pakistan 2,912 km (applicable south of Jammu till Bhauj in Gujrat say about 2020km)
    Border areas opposite Jammu (IB portions) and Punjab have been rendered untankable by obstacles and built up araes on both sides besides being untankable in raiany season.
    Hence 763 km length is you can say semi tankable.
    Opoosite a half of Rajasthan say 500 km in the north, tanks can barely go upto 20 km.
    Same is the terrain conditions opposite rest of Rajstan and Gujrat.
    Both sides of the borders are heavily guarded and have dense anti tank military opposition.
    Above all, all areas are astride the settled IB. Neither Pakistan nor India would unsettle it.
    Use of tanks would necessarily be under nuclear hang and hence less likely.

    In nutshell heavy or medium tanks are primarily Pakistan specific and must remain focused on Pakistan amour rather than on the world or any other border areas. At present what ever India has is sufficient to cater for "Need Pakistan" and bogey of tanks being raised is pseudo. Arjun Mark II will be sufficient till Pakistani armour profile changes.

    India now needs a tank which can be employed in:
    Riverine terrain.
    Jungles of middle India Jharkhand / Chattisgarh.
    Mountains.
    Tibet.
    UN missions and out of Area contingencies.
    Amphibous operations.
    Urban areas.

    What kind of anti tank environments exist in those areas and under those contingencies?
    Many here are designing a tank to fight a NATO war in Europe or for the Western Russia ?? How useful the heavy tanks been in fighting terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan?

    We need now a 30 ton light tank (call it infantry tank) capable of carrying troops in large numbers to meet our above requirement. In that following should be order of priority:
    Fire power, then
    Mobility, and then
    Amour protection
    It can not and should not something like a BMP but like Stryker ( or a mix of wheels and tracks)
    India otherwise has sufficient tanks of required quality.
    This tankman's bogey is false and self serving. Tank philosophy, Mission profiles, operations planned and envisaged in India and Pakistan are exaggerated and impractical.
     
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  3. tiranga

    tiranga Tihar Jail Banned

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    I have heard many times that a heavier tank would be more beneficial than a 30 ton tank.These types of articles are coming up everywhere and most commentators were suggesting a more heavier tank
     
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    The BMP-3 is a fine ICV in the same weight class as the Striker, and has good armament. The Striker just has small arms and no anti-tank capability. If you want wheels then use a BTR design but with a BMP-3 turret with 100 mm gun.
     
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    I guess Abhay will be a suitable starting point for these designs
     
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    Abhay's been more or less rejected. The Army will buy more BMPs until the new FICV is ready. I am more interested in the FICV project. I guess it will take some time before we know the requirements of this project.

    http://www.forceindia.net/guestcolumn1.aspx

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    his article says FMBT has been shelved.
     
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    Abhay rejected? Why reject it, when it was a technology demonstrator.
     
  8. sayareakd

    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    we should have light unmanned tanks with regular heavy tanks.
     
  9. hitesh

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    I don't think so [​IMG]
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    DRDO was serious about selling it. It became a TD only recently.

    If you mean to say Abhay's experience may go into the FICV, then yes. I would agree.
     
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    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    i think a IFV competition is going on all the parties have been asked to make prototype. Abhay IFV is also taking part.
     
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    Stryker MGS platform is is giving problems AFAIK. I think they should have fixed some of it if not all of it.

    Full rate production should have recently started, no idea how that is going though.
     
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    There are no problems with M1128 Stryker MGS, all problems on early production vehicles were solved. Currently after basic ICV models will be modernised, also M1128 variant will be modernised in to heavier, better armored vehicle weighting probably something around 30 tons.

    The all problems with Strykers were effects of desire to make them airtransportable by C-130, now US Army resigned from this, Strykers will recive and are reciving double V hull belly, stronger suspension, stronger armor, engine and other upgrades. There also be replacement for Slat Armor in form of SRAT ERA, it is just same ERA like ARAT for M1 tanks and BRAT for M2/M3 infantry/cavalry fighting vehicles.
     
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    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    The problem with BMP is that it is very light in armour protection and it is fully tracked thus not very suited for movement on roads under its own propulsion. It can not even withstand RPG shot.
     
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    Not bad. So, how soon before we see 30 ton production models?
     
  17. Damian

    Damian Defence Professionals Defence Professionals

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    Were they able to install airconditioning units in these vehicles?
     
  19. Bhadra

    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    The moment we get out of that Pakistan psychosis
     
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    Damn the Strykers will be in the last half of this decade.

    I was talking about the American Stryker modernization program. Check the graph Damian posted.
     
  21. Damian

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    These are allready installed, and are preatty big, so big that A/C unit is actually outside vehicle.

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    Other vehicles in US Army also have air conditioning units.

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    These are mounted on M2A2 and M2A3 IFV's.

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    M1A2SEP A/C unit. M1A1's are still using NBC system as A/C equivalent.
     
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