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Govt urges SC to review decision restricting army’s Afspa power

The government wants the Supreme Court to reconsider a landmark decision that restrained the army from using “excessive or retaliatory force” in India’s conflict regions and ordered investigations into hundreds of alleged extra-judicial killings in Manipur between 1979 and 2012.

The top court’s judgment last July ruled that despite the Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act, or AFSPA, the armed forces cannot use “excessive and retaliatory force” in Manipur.

Human rights campaigners call the law “draconian” as it gives security forces extra-judicial powers during anti-insurgency operations. The AFSPA shields troops from prosecution and is in force in parts of the Northeast and Jammu and Kashmir.


The Centre filed on Wednesday a curative petition, saying the court’s verdict is hampering the army’s ability to respond to insurgency-related situations and its daily operations in Kashmir and the Northeast, both regions torn by militancy.

“It’s an issue of national security,” attorney general Mukul Rohatgi said before a bench headed by Chief Justice JS Khehar, and appealed for the petition to be listed for an open-court hearing.

A curative petition is the last legal recourse available after a litigant exhausts all remedies such as appeals and review pleas.

Chances of success are rare. But in recent years, the court has admitted such pleas that raised important constitutional matters.

The top court had said in its verdict on AFSPA last year that excessive force could be used only when a soldier is defending himself in a combat with terrorists.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...afspa-power/story-qeNrxi3HTaZx7YX2qXpXkO.html










The decision was seen as the strongest judicial rebuke of the army’s special shoot-to-kill powers, which trace their origins to a British-era ordinance used to suppress the Quit India Movement of 1942. The army denies misusing the law.

The Centre defended its military actions in conflict areas and said the army was not a “rogue”. Any proactive action in maintaining peace and law and order was curtailed by the verdict, it argued.

“Any retaliatory measure to neutralize terrorists/militants would be branded as excessive force or an extra-judicial execution which runs counter to the very purpose of AFSPA,” the petition says.

The 2016 verdict was cheered by activists, who have long pointed to a lack of oversight of military personnel.

The decision came on petitions demanding investigation into 1,528 alleged cases of extra-judicial killings by the army in the northeastern state. The petitioners complained of the abuse of special powers available to army officers.

But, according to the Centre, the court’s interpretation of the law was not in consonance with the ground realities that the armed forces face in Manipur, which has several secessionist groups.

“If the position maintained by the impugned order continues it may, one day, be well-nigh impossible to maintain peace and security,” the Centre said.

The army has to take quick decisions that cannot be dissected nor can be judicially reviewed like any other murder appeal, the government argued.

Also, it contended that the verdict would lower the morale of the armed forces, especially personnel who spend a lifetime risking their lives to safeguard the nation’s sovereignty and integrity.
 

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Pics from Kalsian, Lam And Makkri Sector...
80 Goats Killed By Pakis...
Cease Fire Violations...



 

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Pics from Kalsian, Lam And Makkri Sector...
80 Goats Killed By Pakis...
Cease Fire Violations...



I tried to find the place of kalsian, but it is shown in pakistan.
Can you please provide the google maps link.
Or provide the sector maps of j&k.
 

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Couldn't find the thread where we were posting the privatisation of ammunition production news , if any one else finds it can post this there...

New RFP released for setting up of plants for the ammo mentioned below, with 10 year supply contracts..
30MM HEI&HET at 1.5 lakh and ~38k per annum
GRAD 120 MM ER Rockets @ 5000 per annum
30MM VOG17 @ 5 lakh per annum
40MM HEAP,HEDP,RP,TM, VOG 25 @ 3 lakh per annum
23MM HEIT @ 3 lakh per annum
23MM APIT @ 2 lakh per annum
125MM FSAPDS/T FOR TANK T-72,T-90 @ 20000 per annum

there is also 4 lakh rounds of 40MM MGL TARGET MARKER (TM) AMMUNITION , this is for import i guess..

Except grad ammo, rest are also made at OFB. grad ammo does not seem to be listed in the website..
Looks like something is cooking- Next few years can be something interesting- according to Clausewitz the decision to go to war should be based following factors-

1- Military Capability and preparedness-
2- Will and clarity of the Govt-
3- Popular public support-
4- Popular International support-

I hope the Govt- doesn't urinate in pants when the time comes knocking- Which It will in next few years-
 

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Looks like something is cooking- Next few years can be something interesting- according to Clausewitz the decision to go to war should be based following factors-

1- Military Capability and preparedness-
2- Will and clarity of the Govt-
3- Popular public support-
4- Popular International support-

I hope the Govt- doesn't urinate in pants when the time comes knocking- Which It will in next few years-
Forget it sirjee...
except for your #1, rest are doubtful.
if there no unanimous confidence on the Govt from this forum, forget rest of population.
 

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Forget it sirjee...
except for your #1, rest are doubtful.
if there no unanimous confidence on the Govt from this forum, forget rest of population.
Population when It comes to supporting the war- and Govt- when It comes to imposing the will of population on that regard Surgical strike is a small example of such a move-
 

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Strengthen military, look for new allies to tackle Pak, China: Army chief

BY PTI | UPDATED: MAY 04, 2017, 10.19 PM IST

NEW DELHI: The armed forces are not getting their due share of resources, Army chief General Bipin Rawat said today, pitching for increased defence spending to enhance India's strategic clout.

Amid mounting tensions with Pakistan and China, Rawat insisted on the country looking for new friends and allies to deal with neighbours along the western and northern borders, apparently referring to the two nations.

Pitching for investing more in strengthening India's armed forces, Rawat, addressing a defence think tank, spoke of China to drive home the point that India's true potential will be realised only when both economic growth and might of the military go hand-in-hand.

"While we are developing our economy, the military is not getting its due share. I think here we need to draw a lesson from China," he said, adding military and economic growth should be "conjoint" as they are two tenets of national power.

India's defence budget for 2017-18 was Rs 2.74 lakh crore which is 1.63 per cent of GDP. China's military spending for 2017 has been pegged at USD 152 billion, which is close to around three per cent of the country's GDP and three times higher than that of India's defence budget.

There has been a feeling among security experts and the defence establishment that the modernisation of armed forces is taking place at a very slow pace and that the government has not been allocating adequate funds for it.

Talking about the evolving security situation in the region, Gen Rawat said India must have close ties with countries like Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan considering the security matrix. He said such a policy will recreate the outreach India had before partition.

The army chief said such a strategy will not only create a two-pronged dilemma for India's western neighbour Pakistan, but also help in tackling issues with the other difficult northern neighbour China.

"We have to start looking at how do we carry out counter-encirclement for our future adversaries. Developing alliances, developing friends to overcome the (current) deficiency is important. That must be part of our strategic thought process," he said.

The army chief said that time has come for India to have a say in all major issues at the United Nations and the country must work hard to attain permanent membership of the UN Security Council.

Referring to India's security challenges, Gen Rawat said the drafts of national military strategy and national security strategy were ready to deal with pressing issues coherently.

"We should be able to identify our own national military strategy. We do not have a national military strategy as of now. Directorate General of Perspective Planning has been tasked to come out with it.

Holding that a strong military is essential for India's forward march, he said the general thinking among people is that expenditure on defence "is a burden" on the economy.

He said a "very strong military" is key to economic development.

Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
 

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Rightly said ............

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military and economic growth should be "conjoint" as they are two tenets of national power.
 

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One can get an AK for just 3000/- at Indian Bangladesh border, This information is from 2009 ..

I lost the source as its very old ..

Holy shit !!
Gun : 3000 INR
Money to Jihadi and his Family: 150000 INR
Brainwashing and training: 15000 INR
Ammunition , Ration, Cash in Hand, Train Tickets, Phone, SIM : 15000 INR
Sum Total: 1,83,000 INR

Death and Destruction Jihadi will bring: Priceless.


Low cost warfare !!

But if Ak47 is so cheap then why Jihadis and Maoist are stealing weapons from security forces ?
Are they so underfunded ? If yes, how come we are not able to crush their back then ? Strange. Something is really not right.
 

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AK in India is neither cheap nor readily available. If you were to step into the Hindi heartland like UP, BIhar or northern MP, you'll see how "prestigious" an AK is. Not every tom, dick & harry has access to automatic rifles. You need a shit ton of pull as well as money to get one smuggled from Nepal.

There is a reason why Maoists are using decades old SLRs & country made weapons.
 

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UP, Bihar is famous for their Katta & these regions cannot be taken as example for with rest of the country ..

The reason why Maoists are using SLR and mostly weapon taken from security forces is due to their quality, AK made in W.Bengal or coming from Bangladesh border will do fine till 4 mag at best before their barrel bend and accuracy drops out.
 

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You should first apologize for lying. You said nothing happened on April 17 but we have video of your camp being blown into smithereens. Where is ISPR on this?
 

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...Funny since when did Paki s have love for Indian army personnel you bloody just beheaded our soldiers and you are here doing wolf cry about whats happening ..What ever is happening in the video is far better than what you guys do to your army men ..By the way people are searching for you Zarvan in LOC thread why are you not visiting there and give your inputs about our latest bunker busting video....


What the hell is going on here ?????????????
 

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