Indian army $10-bn combat vehicle order!!!

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  1. Shaitan

    Shaitan Zandu balm all day Senior Member

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    Mumbai/New Delhi: Ashok Leyland (ALL), Larsen & Toubro (L&T), Bharat Forge, Tata Motors and Mahindra & Mahindra (M&M) are among those who have bid for a $10-billion (R44,000 core) defence ministry contract to supply combat vehicles for the Indian Army. The size of the tender is comparable to the one for combat aircraft being finalised by the ministry.
    The ministry will shortlist two vendors for Futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicles (FICVs) by July end, based on technical and commercial criteria under the ‘buy & make’ category. Under this category, only Indian companies with technical and financial capabilities are asked to submit bids.

    Infantry combat vehicles are armoured vehicles carrying soldiers and supporting main battle tanks with firepower in war. Their armour is lighter than main tanks’ but heavier than armoured personnel carriers’.

    While ALL and L&T have bid as a team, state-owned Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) is also believed to be in the fray. The defenceministry was yet to respond to an email query sent to it several days ago on the subject.
    The Army would require 2,610 FICVs to replace the existing, Soviet-vintage ‘Sarath’ BMP-II combat vehicles built by OFB. Sarath has been in service for around 31 years, and will be phased out from 2017. Confirming ALL’s involvement, V Sumantran, executive vice-chairman, Hinduja Automotive UK, said: “We are working on the FICV project with L&T.”

    Subodh Tandale, Bharat Forge executive director, also confirmed the firm’s interest in the contract, saying, “We are working on the FICV project and will not just be a component supplier but participate on a bigger scale.” A Tata Motors official confirmed participation in the project but was unwilling to go on record. Kutub Hai, head, Mahindra Defence Systems, said: “We are one of the shortlisted companies and are now waiting for the final shortlist which should be out byend of July or early August.”
    In the early stages of selecting a new combat vehicle, the Army headquarters outlines its existing capabilities and future requirements, indicating its long-term requirement in terms of numbers, time schedule, fund availability and technologies. This is scrutinised by a committee before listing it as a ‘buy & make (Indian)’ project.

    Indian firms reputed to have requisite technical and financial capabilities to undertake such projects are invited to bid and shortlisted. The winner will be expected to build 70% of the vehicle.

    As per India’s defence procurement rules framed in 2008, the FICVs will be built in an integrated manner involving the Army, the defence ministry and the industry in aspects of research, design, development and production of systems. Detailed specifications for FICVs are still being outlined. According to sources, the FICV is expected to be half-tracked and half-wheeled, and a combat vehicle ready for inland warfare.

    Auto cos, L&T vie for Army’s $10-bn combat vehicle order

    IDK if anyone caught this in the article....





    wtf
     
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  3. ace009

    ace009 Freakin' Fighter fan Elite Member

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    Half-tracks are not a new concept. They were extensively used in WW-2, both by the Germans as well as by the US forces.

    Half-track - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Using some of the MICV as half-tracks makes sens, especially for uneven terrains.
    I would have thought some vehicles would be made with full caterpillar tracks too.
     
  4. plugwater

    plugwater Elite Member Elite Member

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    Something like this :p
    Anyway if they are going for both wheeled and tracked means every company must be asked to design both types, i hope instead of making half vehicles as wheeled they should go for 70:30 combination and 70% for tracked and rest being wheeled, they should ask the second best bidder to make the wheeled and the winner gets the bigger share to make tracked version
     
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    plugwater Elite Member Elite Member

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    You have mistaken the article mate, Half tracked in the sense half the number of vehicles they are going to procure.
     
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    It was said in the context of speicifications.
    Unless the article itself is inaccurate , it implies FICV is in fact a Half-Track

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    Perhaps something like this
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    the amount is whooping,how many units really they want ,are we in the verge of making the whole army mechanised,if they just go for it ,i will be more than happy
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    BMS-1 Alacran
    Prototype armored personnel carrier

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    BMS-1 Alacran Prototype Armored Personnel Carrier | Military-Today.com



    IA wants more troops in Mech Vehicles...
    But this wont be good as BMP interms of protection and Armour..

    That thing is not Amphibious, i don't think Half-tracks can be amphibious..

    And In India their are lots of canal and river to cross..

    Also i doubt anything but a 50cal can be mounted on..
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Preciously !
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Some one is playing wrong..
     
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    maybe stupid journalist made a stupid mistake
    don't take this too hard
     
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    HOLY CANOLY!! 10 Billion? Was the reporter on crack or what? Does he/she even know how many FICVs can be bought with that amount?? Even Soviet Union, the largest army on earth didn't plan for something this massive. :lol: The article is making Gen. Singh sound as if he's on an all out Asia war.

    Stupid reporting I'd say.
     
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    10 billion estimation is correct. Each FICV is going to cost around 5 million, so to replace all(2000+) BMPs we have to spend 10 billion.
     
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    Tshering22 Sikkimese Saber Senior Member

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    Oh alright. But that amount is really huge. I thought it was going to be a rapid procurement arrangement or something. My bad. BTW, I think designing and making something like a Mobile Gun System (like Stryker and Pandur II) would be more sensible. We need a more expeditionary Army for rapid movement and decent armor to withstand a full blown invasion. An 8x8 MGS would make a nice addition to the rather rigid profile BMP series category.
     
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    The military spending is starting to reach absurd levels if this article is true/accurate.
     
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    I guess it will come with MGS. But how much foreign systems a bidder can include in their vehicle is not yet clear. Since Tata, Mahindra have no experience in making guns they will import them and any APS ?
     
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    We will build them at the rate of 100 per year so at max 500 million will go to this project, Compare this with 25 FGFA per year(25*150 mill=3.75 bill), Money spend on FICV will be nothing compared to other projects. In ten years our defence budget will reach 100 billion USD.
     
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    kuch nahi hona, 10 saal tak tender decide nahi hona

    In english

    Nothing will happen .They will not even decide on tender in 10 yrs.....
     
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    Shaitan Zandu balm all day Senior Member

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    You are absolutely right. $3-5 million for a single ICV is too damn much. A single Arjun tank is $3+ million..
     
  20. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Puzzle Solved..

    Puzzle Solved.. :becky::namaste:

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    After some research, I believe reporter is right regarding half track, What he meant is misunderstood by us..

    This makes Perfect scene to our requirements..

    A Vehicle which can have both tracked and wheel version..


    Rubber Tracks Make Military Vehicles More Efficient, Durable, and Quieter : TreeHugger




    Our requirement is 20 ton max..
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Now Imagine any of this vehicle with little modification on looks also as per reqirment with those Rubber tracks..

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    Any Modern 8x8 or 6x6 armored vehicle..




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