Indian Air Display Team need BAE Hawk or HAL Tejas MK1?

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  1. grampiguy

    grampiguy Regular Member

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    The following is the list of air display teams of prominent air powers of the world. Invariably, as one can see, each nation selects an aircraft which has been indigenously produced. And, not any of them have gone for a trainer aircraft, especially an imported one, being screwdrived locally. Have a look at the following list:


    Nation ------ Team ------------ -------- Aircraft

    South Korea - Black Eagles - ---- -------- T-50B Golden Eagle Trainer aircraft

    Russia - -- Blue Knights - ------- ---- Sukhoi -27

    China ------- 81st Aerobatics Team - ---- J-10

    America ------ Blue Angels - ------------- F-18 Hornet

    France ------- Patrouille de France- ------ Dassault Alpha Jet

    Britain ------ Red Arrows ----------- Hawk T-1

    Japan ----- -- Blue Impulse ---------- Kawasaki T-4


    As per the recent reports, the Indian Air Force is going to buy 20 BAE Hawk trainers for its air display team, which baffles me at the least. If instead of BAE Hawk, IAF went for 20 HAL Tejas MK-1s, that order would not only increase the viability of Tejas production line but will display the export potential of the local fighter to the world. It is a much better option even foreign exchange wise than going for BAE Hawk. Both aircrafts are single engine but Tejas is miles ahead of Hawk in terms of engine technology, aero-structure and avionics.

    I am wondering why IAF considers HAL Tejas MK-1 not sound enough to be selected as the aircraft its Indian air display team? Is the institutional hostility of India's Imported Air Force playing a role in it? Will anybody tell Mr Parrikar about these details?
     
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    Tejas in formation really do look like flying daggers . A display team would look fantastic.
    But India does not have the money to use frontline aircraft for "show".
     
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    Consider two points- cost but more importantly delivery, the LCA's production lines for the next decade or so are going to be full pumping out LCAs for combat SQDs to replace the flying coffins, do you really want to divert resources away from this effort to produce LCAs for a display team?

    I agree that the LCA would be far more impressive in this role than the Hawk Mk.132s but it is what it is.....
     
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    grampiguy Regular Member

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    What is the hurry? Can't the display team wait a bit and form when LCA production team is ready?
     
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    abingdonboy Senior Member Senior Member

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    They would be waiting until the mid, id not late, 2020s before the IAF's and IN's immediate LCA requirements are filled. Considering the team was disbanded in 2011/12 (?) a gap of over 10 years is far too long, the skills of the team will be lost and this capability would go unfulfilled for a long long time.
     
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    HAL is looking for more orders for LCA Mk-1. HAL is presently canvassing for more orders for Mk-1 to increase the production of from 8 to 16 and then to 20. So, I don't think IAF has to wait till end 2020s to get the aerobatic aircraft if it accepts the PV5 trainer version in place of Hawk-132.
     
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    grampiguy Regular Member

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    As its clear by now, HAL is looking for any order to scale up its production and justify the expense in increasing production from 8 to 16 per year and even more. It is even ready to put in Rs. 1200 crore from its own savings for the production infrastructure. The total price of 20 LCA MK-1 for Air display team would come around US$ 800 million or more (without involvement of any critical foreign exchange). That would be more than enough for IAF's share in the infrastructure for increased production.

    When going ahead is tough, even scraps of an order matter the most. For example, see Rafale production in France. French government is even ready to give loan to Egypt from French banks with government's sovereign guarantee, just to keep the fighter in production. All Egypt is buying is 24 Rafale aircraft !!! So this is high time to stay focused upon LCA program and use all energy, gathered from all corners, to make it successful.
     
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    biswaranjanrath.sipu Regular Member

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    I m completely Agree with u friend. Iaf should use lca as aerobatic display jet.
    These Aircrafts can also be used as fighter during emergency time.
     
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