India's tanks, combat vehicles to get night-vision devices

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OK what about local soldiers belonging to army, crpf and various para-militrary force

And what were this defense ministry , army were sleeping this days , didn`t they knew about that tanks can not work in night
 

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Ah... you mean those manufactured by DRDO... ?

Has to be better .......

You know they can not even make batteries for TI sights..
The ARJUN tanks does have Sagem TI sights as far as I know. The T-90 S which is the india specific upgraded version is equipped with Catherine-FC thermal imager.

The ARJUN mark 2 also has Thermal Imagers default with them.

Read that by the end of the prod cycle for T-90's will be having nearly 2000 of them:shocked: . Is there a purpose for this many of them??
 

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The ARJUN tanks does have Sagem TI sights as far as I know. The T-90 S which is the india specific upgraded version is equipped with Catherine-FC thermal imager.

The ARJUN mark 2 also has Thermal Imagers default with them.

Read that by the end of the prod cycle for T-90's will be having nearly 2000 of them:shocked: . Is there a purpose for this many of them??

What has that lab at Dehradun (IRDE) been doing for last 60 years ?? Any answer !!
Not able to make a simple II Tube..

Only importing things..... to block other's imports...
 
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But those Iraqi tanks which fired on American tanks managed to disable those and put those out of battle. It was Iraqi dolfiers who got defeated not Iraqi tanks. Had Iraqies fought with git and ditermination, it would have been a grave yard for American tanks who were conducting themselves as if on a firing range. See the vidieo. Pathetic.. They were firing line abrest . Ha Ha Ha...
It is not truth.

Video present battle for 73 easting where Americans did not have any losses in tanks. And firing in line formation with front armor towards enemy was safest and the most effective.

However it is truth that during other battles like battle for Medina ridge, Iraqis were able to disable several M1 tanks. It was however due to chaos on the battlefield when Americans started their breakthrough through Iraqi lines. Some of Iraqi tanks managed to survive camouflaged and not participating in battles.

There is example when one of the tank crews, commanded by Tony Steed made a mistake and stopped to colled surrendering Iraqis and wait for infantry. Their tank was illuminated by nearbye Iraqi tank that was burning and then other Iraqi crew spotted them.

Iraqis fired most probably HEAT projectile that hit a tank in the left side hull. Loader was harmed by fragments but the crew was ok, and their tank had minor damage. They get out and hid behind their tank untill friendly units come. Their tank was quickly repaired and get back to fight again.

So the line formation and enemy at front is not the most dangerous, especially if you have superior armor protection and firepower. Problems starts when enemy is close and he can exploit your flanks.
 

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Can Worlds so called Best Tanks like Leopard, Challenger, Abhrams perform in all theatres of India!!!!
like Rajasthan, Punjab, Himalayas, NE sector........!!!!!!!!!
 

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India's tanks, combat vehicles to get night-vision devices

This is threat to our RED TAPISM and against the fundamental right of our sarkari babus
 

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There is so much of darkness already plaguing the nation in every aspect of life, NVD should be issued to all as another populist move!
 

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Can Worlds so called Best Tanks like Leopard, Challenger, Abhrams perform in all theatres of India!!!!
like Rajasthan, Punjab, Himalayas, NE sector........!!!!!!!!!
Yes, these were designed as universal when it comes to environments where they should operate. This is why prototypes as well later series manufactured vehicles, were extensively tested in environments like typical european and north american climate, to desert conditions as well as arctic conditions.

Even versions not specifically fitted to operate in desert conditions can do this, for example versions without A/C unit, can use their NBC system to blow filtrated, fresh air in to interior, this is how American tanks without A/C, efficently operated in Iraq both in 1991 and in 2003-2011 period.

As for winter or arcitc conditions, their tracks can be fitted with snow grousers in place of rubber pads, or can operate without these rubber pads if nececary and keeping roads in good condition is not nececary.
 

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Yes, these were designed as universal when it comes to environments where they should operate. This is why prototypes as well later series manufactured vehicles, were extensively tested in environments like typical european and north american climate, to desert conditions as well as arctic conditions.

Even versions not specifically fitted to operate in desert conditions can do this, for example versions without A/C unit, can use their NBC system to blow filtrated, fresh air in to interior, this is how American tanks without A/C, efficently operated in Iraq both in 1991 and in 2003-2011 period.

As for winter or arcitc conditions, their tracks can be fitted with snow grousers in place of rubber pads, or can operate without these rubber pads if nececary and keeping roads in good condition is not nececary.
ya i know, but can they fight in Indian Conditions... or can these perform well in High Altitude warfare like in Leh...!!!!
 

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ya i know, but can they fight in Indian Conditions... or can these perform well in High Altitude warfare like in Leh...!!!!
Yes they can, as any other modern Main Battle Tank, as I said, they like all modern MBT's are designed as universal construction, suited to fight in different conditions and environments.
 

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It is not truth.

Video present battle for 73 easting where Americans did not have any losses in tanks. And firing in line formation with front armor towards enemy was safest and the most effective.

However it is truth that during other battles like battle for Medina ridge, Iraqis were able to disable several M1 tanks. It was however due to chaos on the battlefield when Americans started their breakthrough through Iraqi lines. Some of Iraqi tanks managed to survive camouflaged and not participating in battles.

There is example when one of the tank crews, commanded by Tony Steed made a mistake and stopped to colled surrendering Iraqis and wait for infantry. Their tank was illuminated by nearbye Iraqi tank that was burning and then other Iraqi crew spotted them.

Iraqis fired most probably HEAT projectile that hit a tank in the left side hull. Loader was harmed by fragments but the crew was ok, and their tank had minor damage. They get out and hid behind their tank untill friendly units come. Their tank was quickly repaired and get back to fight again.

So the line formation and enemy at front is not the most dangerous, especially if you have superior armor protection and firepower. Problems starts when enemy is close and he can exploit your flanks.
Tanks in such large numbers in such a small space as shown in the vidieo firing line abrest, is a sure recepie for disaster. One tacticle nuke is good enough for those. Or one flight of bomber would take many of those out.. No American even dream of operating the tanks like that against the Russians or Chinese or Pakistanies. I would take out minimum 20 tanks with mine..

It seems there was zero anti tank weapon density at that place and you all call that " Ferrari drive" as tank battle ??? Ha Ha Ha...

Now do not tell me Americans knew Saddama had no WMD ?? And that Iraqi's had no airforce at the time of 73 Easting.

Such vidieos are to overawe one rather than show you any armour tactics.
 
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Can Worlds so called Best Tanks like Leopard, Challenger, Abhrams perform in all theatres of India!!!!
like Rajasthan, Punjab, Himalayas, NE sector........!!!!!!!!!
You have not asked about Arjun tank ?

Abrahams supposedly failled in the deserts of Pakistan when they tested it....

Deserts of Leh has seen only T-72 or T-90 types tanks ( upto 45 ton class)..

I have not read about Arjun being tested at Leh but 60 ton class tanks there would create additional difficulties IMHO.
 

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Tanks in such large numbers in such a small space as shown in the vidieo firing line abrest, is a sure recepie for disaster. One tacticle nuke is good enough for those. Or one flight of bomber would take many of those out..

Now do not tell me Americans knew Saddama had no WMD ?? And that Iraqi's had no airforce at the time of 73 Easting. Such vidieos are to overawe one rather than show you armour tactics.
So now you will use nukes to prove your point? :facepalm:

Abrahams supposedly failled in the deserts of Pakistan when they tested it....
First thing is that M1 tanks is honorobly named Abrams, after general Creighton Abrams, not after Abraham for Christ sake... second thing is that this story as I proved many times seems to be fake. Not to mention that time between this even, that only one vehicle was tested (which means it is unreasonable, not even smart to make opinions about design by testing only single vehicle), and that between variants manufactured back then, and today variants, is so huge gap in characteristics and capabilities, that Block I and Block II are completely different vehicles.

Deserts of Leh has seen only T-72 or T-90 types tanks ( upto 45 ton class)..

I have not read about Arjun being tested at Leh but 60 ton class tanks there would create additional difficulties IMHO.
What additional difficulties? As far as experience of other nations comes in, weight of the vehicles if not exceeding 70 tons, do not cause problems to their mobility.
 
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So now you will use nukes to prove your point? :facepalm:



First thing is that M1 tanks is honorobly named Abrams, after general Creighton Abrams, not after Abraham for Christ sake... second thing is that this story as I proved many times seems to be fake. Not to mention that time between this even, that only one vehicle was tested (which means it is unreasonable, not even smart to make opinions about design by testing only single vehicle), and that between variants manufactured back then, and today variants, is so huge gap in characteristics and capabilities, that Block I and Block II are completely different vehicles.



What additional difficulties? As far as experience of other nations comes in, weight of the vehicles if not exceeding 70 tons, do not cause problems to their mobility.
Use of tanks in concentration at the point of decison is done no doubt but concentration does not mean bundled up and more than 30 tanks forming line abrest and then firing wheel to wheel...


Ha Ha Ha ... that is a joke...

Use of tacticle nukes against armour concentration was of prime concern in NATO theatre... Tactics of both the sides was to force enemy to concentrate for a breakout and bottle him up on the bridge head. Distroy tank formation on bridge head by use of all resources including tactical nukes... You do not want me to explain that to you .. Do you ??

Armour advancing on braod front is very basic to the Armour tactics and not 50 tanks being at Easting 78... firing line abrest ...

And you want to use 60 ton tanks in Lah ?? And just tell me how does a 60 ton tank reach Leh ? Via China and Tibet ?? Ha Ha Ha..

You are a theoretician at best....
 

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The fact is that Iraq camapaign was no camapign and no one fought any battle over there..

It was only a media blitz to sell off new technology weapons which is clear from videoes such as shown in this thread....

60 Arjun Tanks lined up like that at Indo Pakistani border will surely invite one salvo of nuclear missile...

Sixty Arjun tanks will concentrate out side Lahore where it would not be possible for Pakistan to use nuclear weapons !!

OK.... you are talking about deep inside deserts...
 
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Use of tacticle nukes against armour concentration was of prime concern in NATO theatre... Tactics of both the sides was to force enemy to concentrate for a breakout and bottle him up on the bridge head. Distroy tank formation on bridge head by use of all resources including tactical nukes... You do not want me to explain that to you .. Do you ??
This is not how reality looked like. Of course there were plans to use tactical nukes for clearing advance routes but, at least NATO, to avoid heavy losses, considered mobile defence, where tank formations would be moving as much as possible. This is also why there was requirement for 3rd generation MBT's to be capable to move at reverse gear approx 30 to 40 km/h.

And you want to use 60 ton tanks in Lah ?? And just tell me how does a 60 ton tank reach Leh ? Via China and Tibet ?? Ha Ha Ha..
Tank can move itself, it can be also transported via transport aircraft or railroads or on HET's.

The transportation itself is not that big problem.

The fact is that Iraq camapaign was no camapign and no one fought any battle over there..
People that died there, definetely agrees with you.

It was only a media blitz to sell off new technology weapons which is clear from videoes such as shown in this thread....
You can call any war as such, but then again, people are dying there.

60 Arjun Tanks lined up like that at Indo Pakistani border will surely invite one salvo of nuclear missile...
Oh so you believe that somone is stupid enough to use a nuclear weapon against 60 tanks? Interesting, anti tank nuclear weapons, a weapon of future! To destroy a single tank use a nuke, and destroy half of city! Briliant!

As for the rest... meh.
 
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The fact is that Iraq camapaign was no camapign and no one fought any battle over there..

It was only a media blitz to sell off new technology weapons which is clear from videoes such as shown in this thread....

60 Arjun Tanks lined up like that at Indo Pakistani border will surely invite one salvo of nuclear missile...

Sixty Arjun tanks will concentrate out side Lahore where it would not be possible for Pakistan to use nuclear weapons !!

OK.... you are talking about deep inside deserts...
Tactical nuclear use by Pakistan seems to be more connected to a military threshold as described below rather than targets of opportunity.

Nuclear doctrine of Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Military Threshold[3]—— The complete knockout or comprehensive destruction of a large part of Pakistan Armed Forces, particularly and most importantly the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), could lead to a quick nuclear response if Islamabad believed that it was losing the cohesiveness of its defence and feared imminent defeat. A senior ranking PAF officer maintained that "orders given to PAF (and its missile command) are identical to the guidelines given to the NATO commanders during the Cold war crises. This criterion is even more important for the Pakistan Armed Forces because of its critical role in maintaining the country's stability. As noted above, an attack on a nuclear installation has also been posited as a threshold. According to PAF, this level of threshold also included the chemical or biological weapons attack against Pakistan, would also respond to massive retaliation.[4]
But the thread is about night vision/thermal imaging devices, not armor and tactical nukes!
 

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Agree, we should end this off topic.
Yes, why do not you throw some light on the night vision devices on tank T- 80 UD ? You are an expert on that ...

But Damian, Leh is a tourist spot and you must visit it in life time by raod... it would be worth it..
 
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