India will shortly announce the construction of its 4th Aircraft Carrier

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In India Pakistan scenario total war is possible. Both of this countries buy hardware of the shelf from 3rd parties. And of course Pakistan is a psycho.
Very much possible. But that won't go on for more than a month in full intensity, either Pakis will give us a bloody nose (very much unlikely) or they will be reduced to gerrila warfare by the time a month is over on a war where whole Indian might without restraint has been put in.
 

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Yemen war is nothing but a large scale gerrila warfare, same as Syria or elsewhere in ME. Naval blockades hardly ever work against low scale gerrila warfare where one party sources its resources from the land itself or has land routes to some friendly power which can provide necessary support.
Pakistan is fighting a proxy war with India since 1990. This war consumes about 10% of India's annual military budget to fight. The cost for Pakistan is less than one-tenth of India's. This is the reason it has been sustainable for Pakistan.

War has many characterizations, but it is war nonetheless.

India's has powerful adversaries. Even Pakistan must be respected as an adversary due to considerable support it gets from middle east.
 

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Very much possible. But that won't go on for more than a month in full intensity, either Pakis will give us a bloody nose (very much unlikely) or they will be reduced to gerrila warfare by the time a month is over on a war where whole Indian might without restraint has been put in.
I don't agree with your assessment. Pakistan can last months and even years of conventional war.

As I said the intensity can go up and down. India itself has limited ability to occupy Pakistani land.
 

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India's has powerful adversaries. Even Pakistan must be respected as an adversary due to considerable support it gets from middle east.
From mid-east, Pak gets donations. From US & China, it gets military hardware and technology.
US benignly looked on while Pakistan, one-by-one, acquired all the nuclear related tech from China. US, in fact was happy to see a counter-weight to India emerging, as she always feared indo-russian axis, since cold-war era.
 

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Pakistan's avowed intent is to disintegrate India; the same as India did to it in 1971. The proxy war they are engaged in thru terrorists is to bleed India economically and keep the Kashmir issue alive. Once Pakistani economy gets on stable ground, she will surely force upon us a decisive 4th and last war.
 

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From mid-east, Pak gets donations. From US & China, it gets military hardware and technology.
US benignly looked on while Pakistan, one-by-one, acquired all the nuclear related tech from China. US, in fact was happy to see a counter-weight to India emerging, as she always feared indo-russian axis, since cold-war era.
Because Pakistan is USA's major non-NATO ally. Pakistan gets weapons at a fraction of price of what India gets.
The empire is in cahoots with Sunni Muslims. This is a known fact which our Generals want to ignore.

We can buy Western weapons but with clear knowledge that these weapons may not work in wartime. India should expect vicious propaganda against it from Western press if a war breaks out. India could also face sanctions - both financial and military.

India can only rely on its domestic capacity in time of war.

Kargil should not be treated as a template for future wars. It was a time when Russia was very weak and China did not emerge on the scene. So India got more attention than usual in a time of US liberalism.
 

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We can buy Western weapons but with clear knowledge that these weapons may not work in wartime.
I am curious.. reading it for the first time. I have heard a lot of defence supplies are dummies; both Indian & foreign firms cheat and there is no way to know till tried in war-time.
 

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I am curious.. reading it for the first time. I have heard a lot of defence supplies are dummies; both Indian & foreign firms cheat and there is no way to know till tried in war-time.
The easiest are sanctions. Equipment will die from lack of spares. This happened to American WLR bought after Kargil.

Another type of method is bugs installed: both hardware/software, which activate by radio signals, and can make equipment malfunction, like a plane crash.
 

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As usual... Russian troll outlet has everyone a'twitters. India is already able to build its own carriers without anyone's help. EMALS is the only foreign technology being brought in for the project and it's not coming from Russia.
 

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As usual... Russian troll outlet has everyone a'twitters. India is already able to build its own carriers without anyone's help. EMALS is the only foreign technology being brought in for the project and it's not coming from Russia.
"without anyone's help"

I would refrain from making such statements.

Gas engines are imported. Radars are imported. SAMs are imported. CIWS is imported. Airplanes and helicopters are imported.

IN has sent a request to a Russian company to bid for consultancy project for INS Vishal. You should ask IN why??
 

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"without anyone's help"

I would refrain from making such statements.

Gas engines are imported. Radars are imported. SAMs are imported. CIWS is imported. Airplanes and helicopters are imported.

IN has sent a request to a Russian company to bid for consultancy project for INS Vishal. You should ask IN why??
Right... Because the Russians do carriers sooooo well. Again: it's a troll outlet and not worth the time any of you has spent speculating on the matter.
 

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Right... Because the Russians do carriers sooooo well. Again: it's a troll outlet and not worth the time any of you has spent speculating on the matter.
No you do not get the point at all.

Russians are invited because the concept is too expensive and seriously over budget.

The problem on this message board is I am dealing with minors who understand a bit of technology but nothing else.

Just the fact that Russians are invited means that IN has failed at the concept stage itself.
 

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So India spends 10 billion dollars for an aircraft carrier. Sri Lanka is shooting at and assaulting Tamil Nadu fishermen. Tamil Nadu taxpayers pay more than one billion of that 10 billion dollar bill for that aircraft carrier. What is wrong with all this?
India has adequate resources to invade Sri Lanka today. A 20B Carrier is not needed.
However warfighting and occupying a country is enormously expensive.

India can always shoot back and sink some Sri Lankan boats if need be. But that does not help as we need to keep Sri Lanka in our sphere of influence.

There is a necessity to have good relations with immediate neighbors, as much as possible.

The geography of Sri Lanka is such that we cannot blockade it from the sea. With China and USA breathing down our neck, I doubt we have many options.
 

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Will India Buy Russia’s New Supercarrier?
India is slated to announce a public tender to assist its indigenous defense industry in building the country’s fourth aircraft carrier, with a Russian supercarrier design as the front-runner, RTreports.

The news that New Delhi will shortly be announcing a procurement tender for a heavy nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, 300 meters long and 70 meters wide and displacing 65,000 tons, was first reported by the French defense industry bulletin TTU at the beginning of March.

According to Izvestia newspaper, the Krylovsky State Research Center (KRSC), a Russian shipbuilding research and development institute, will be offering its supercarrier design called Project 23000E Shtorm (Storm) to the Indian Navy, which plans to induct the new vessel in the late 2020s.

This new supercarrier will purportedly feature significant design changes from the lead vessel in its class, the INS Vikrant, including possible nuclear propulsion and Catapult Assisted Take-Off But Arrested Recovery (CATOBAR) and Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch Systems (EMALS).

In the summer of 2015, Russia, France, the United Kingdom, and the United States received requests for “technical and costing proposals” regarding the design of India’s new aircraft carrier. According to Indian defense officials, the two top contenders are Russia and France, given that India operates aircraft from both countries.

As I reported previously (See: “India to Consider French Fighter Jets For Navy’s Newest Aircraft Carrier”), representatives of French aircraft maker Dassault Aviation pitched the naval version of the Dassault Rafale twin-engine, fourth generation multirole fighter to the Indian Navy in late January.

Izvestia claims that Russia is currently the top contender. “The Russian design dovetails with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s concept ‘Make in India,’” according to a Russian naval analyst quoted in the newspaper. “At present, only Moscow is ready to share with New Delhi both weapons and other systems, on the one hand, and their development and manufacturing technologies, on the other.”


Russia’s new supercarrier design was first revealed in May 2015. “The Project 23000E multipurpose aircraft carrier is designed to conduct operations in remote and oceanic areas, engage land-based and sea-borne enemy targets, ensure the operational stability of naval forces, protect landing troops, and provide the anti-aircraft defense,” according to a representative of KRSC interviewed by IHS Jane’s Defense Weekly.

The supercarrier design has a displacement of 100,000 tons, is 330 meters long, 40 meters wide, and has a draft of 11 meters. Powered by either conventional or a nuclear propulsion, the ship can remain at sea for 120 days and sail up to 30 knots (around 55 kilometers per hour), according to information supplied by KRSC. It can accommodate a crew of up to 5,000 and can carry 80-90 deck-based aircraft.

The likelihood that Russia’s supercarrier project will become a reality and move beyond the conceptual state is slim. For starters, Russia has never built an aircraft carrier. All Soviet carriers were constructed in Ukraine. Russia’s shipbuilding industry currently lacks the capacity to build a supercarrier and does not even have a large enough dry dock to accommodate a vessel the size of the Shtorm.

Russia, however, has overhauled and modernized a Kiev-class carrier-cruiser, renamed INS Vikramaditya, for the Indian Navy from 2004-2013 and gained valuable insights into carrier building techniques through that process. This expertise can now prove to be an asset in helping sway Indian opinion. Consequently, even if the Project 23000E Shtorm proposal may ultimately prove not to be implementable, Russia is still a serious contender in the bid to build India’s next aircraft carrier.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/03/will-india-buy-russias-new-supercarrier/
 

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As usual... Russian troll outlet has everyone a'twitters. India is already able to build its own carriers without anyone's help. EMALS is the only foreign technology being brought in for the project and it's not coming from Russia.
exactly .. even compared to Russia, India has much experience in building and operating carriers

There is no Idea of operating more than three carriers ..In future Navy has three carriers and four LHD's
 

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The maritime border security is the job of coast guard. Sure coast guard can deploy more boats in this zone.

I understand that there are thousands of small fishing boats that go out to sea everyday. It is a large area and big number of boats makes the job hard for coast guard.

Tamilnadu police can help in this matter by deploying its own boats.
 

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There is a huge expansion of coast guard for the specific purpose of resolving such issues. Lot of patrol boats are being bought.

I think situation will get better with more resources on Indian side.
 

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Then tell the govt, to authorize our navy and CG fire back ..
Our chief ministers had written to Indian prime ministers many times. Tamil Nadu fishermen have expressed their unhappiness by demonstrations. What else should we do to tell the Indian government?
 

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The first step is show of strength.

Firing cannot be the first step.

Coast guard is increasing its strength in this area. So things should get better.
 

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