India will shortly announce the construction of its 4th Aircraft Carrier

[garg_bharat]

A conventionally powered carrier can take supplies for about 45 days at sea. The ship can be resupplied at sea or at a friendly port overseas. There is no hard limit on a conventional powered ship.

The nuclear propulsion is better but far more technically complex. The reliability of power plant is a must. I have doubts anybody except Russia will give us a ship nuclear reactor. If ship is built in Russia, then American EMALS is ruled out. Also American aviation contingent may become incompatible.

I don't think this ship is turning out very well. The need for foreign consultancy in design clearly means Navy has overstepped its bounds.

 

[Illusive]

Why it is not feasible?? Wars can go on for years.
There is no guarantee that India can enforce a foolproof blockade of other country, or other country can do the same to India.

How is war feasible, it will be a strain on India's economy. We are talking full scale war here, blockading a country capable of retaliating is different from blockading a defenceless country. Only USA is able to sustain such conflict for a long period in sea's because they have the necessary logistics in place.

 

[Illusive]

A conventionally powered carrier can take supplies for about 45 days at sea. The ship can be resupplied at sea or at a friendly port overseas. There is no hard limit on a conventional powered ship.

The nuclear propulsion is better but far more technically complex. The reliability of power plant is a must. I have doubts anybody except Russia will give us a ship nuclear reactor. If ship is built in Russia, then American EMALS is ruled out. Also American aviation contingent may become incompatible.

I don't think this ship is turning out very well. The need for foreign consultancy in design clearly means Navy has overstepped its bounds.

Nuclear propulsion would be a requirement if you are running EMALS or Catapults.

 

[garg_bharat]

How is war feasible, it will be a strain on India's economy. We are talking full scale war here, blockading a country capable of retaliating is different from blockading a defenceless country. Only USA is able to sustain such conflict for a long period in sea's because they have the necessary logistics in place.

So you think war is driven by India's economy? Or you think India will capitulate after first 15 days.

You have a romantic notion of war. It is unfortunate.

India can easily sustain a war for years. The economy will be hurt, yes, but India has considerable resources.

 

[garg_bharat]

Nuclear propulsion would be a requirement if you are running EMALS or Catapults.

You cannot go to Russia to build the ship and then expect to install American EMALS.

This is what I am saying, Navy is running helter-skelter as it does not know how to take this forward.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

I don't think so. Frozen food & canned food can solve that problem easily. Also, food can be shipped via choppers or other vessels to the AC. AC does not have to come back to port for food.

Its easy and economical to bring ships back to home port to replenish its stock and refuel.
Even if Nuclear AC won't need refueling but the aircraft on the AC will need to be fueled after every sortie; thus have enormous fuel requirement. The amount of food and fuel stores required is so enormous that its not efficient to use aircraft and choppers to refuel and replenish AC.
In Siachen, amount of troops to be replenished in very small hence choppers are feasible.
If you look at the costing report, you will find a big check is taken up by aviation fuel.

 

[Illusive]

So you think war is driven by India's economy? Or you think India will capitulate after first 15 days.

You have a romantic notion of war. It is unfortunate.

India can easily sustain a war for years. The economy will be hurt, yes, but India has considerable resources.

Strong economy helps us sustain a war for a period, any existential threat will escalate to nuclear warfare. Conventional full scale warfare is different from tackling insurgency and fighting terrorists.

You may not be familiar with war of attrition. A country like Pak won't be able to sustain war if we blockade them even for a month. So its not India would capitulate, its the other way round.

The question here is for how long can a carrier operate at sea. Operating carriers is a big drain on resources. Our planners see the requirement of 120 days which is good.

Regarding this news, nothing has been written in stone yet. India ain't gonna build it AC in russia. We are looking for partners to oversee the design, thats it.

 

[shade]

Strong economy helps us sustain a war for a period, any existential threat will escalate to nuclear warfare. Conventional full scale warfare is different from tackling insurgency and fighting terrorists.

You may not be familiar with war of attrition. A country like Pak won't be able to sustain war if we blockade them even for a month. So its not India would capitulate, its the other way round.

The question here is for how long can a carrier operate at sea. Operating carriers is a big drain on resources. Our planners see the requirement of 120 days which is good.

Regarding this news, nothing has been written in stone yet. India ain't gonna build it AC in russia. We are looking for partners to oversee the design, thats it.

If the IN/Shipyards love russians or muricans so much,fly their white asses here,NO INDIAN SHIP GETS BUILT IN SEVMASH.Nope nope nope.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

A country like Pak won't be able to sustain war if we blockade them even for a month. So its not India would capitulate, its the other way round.

As per the information I received from a very creditable source Pakistan has fuel reserves for 14 days and ammunition reserves for 8 days for full scale war.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

If the IN/Shipyards love russians or muricans so much,fly their white asses here,NO INDIAN SHIP GETS BUILT IN SEVMASH.Nope nope nope.

Dude, what are you saying??? Please be clear.

 

[Kshatriya87]

Its easy and economical to bring ships back to home port to replenish its stock and refuel.
Even if Nuclear AC won't need refueling but the aircraft on the AC will need to be fueled after every sortie; thus have enormous fuel requirement. The amount of food and fuel stores required is so enormous that its not efficient to use aircraft and choppers to refuel and replenish AC.
In Siachen, amount of troops to be replenished in very small hence choppers are feasible.
If you look at the costing report, you will find a big check is taken up by aviation fuel.

Below deck fuel tanks have more than enough capacity to fuel fighter aircrafts.

 

[Illusive]

If the IN/Shipyards love russians or muricans so much,fly their white asses here,NO INDIAN SHIP GETS BUILT IN SEVMASH.Nope nope nope.

Well like i said, India is looking for design inputs for the Npowered AC, but it will be built in India itself, so don't worry.

 

[shade]

Dude, what are you saying??? Please be clear.

way back in the day,INS Vikram aditya was a destroyer/helicopter carrier of Russia called Gorshkov,after desolution of USSR,India wanted to buy an AC,so russia offered this gorshkov for "free" saying that they would modify it into an Aircraft carrier for which india would have to pay US$800mn for the modifications and US$ 1bn for the Aircraft and weapons
These mods were to be done by a russian shipbuilder company called Sevmash
Sevmash started asking more $$$ and the whole project suffered from cost overruns,diplomatic bullsht etc for like 15+ years.The modifications were going on really slowly.But i guess Indian grumbling worked,because then Russian PM Dmitri went to sevmash and gave them good,so in 3 years production sped up at sevmash,and we got Vikramaditya in 2014.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Vikramaditya


which is why the new AC vishal should never go to a russian shipyard

I mean if issues arise,Modi or whoever the PM will be will fly from Delhi to Cochin Shipyard for some verbal ass kicking.If your ship is built in a foreign land,You're fcked

 

[tharun]

I would say about propulsion we should keep arihant type nuclear reactor so that we can lot of money without using gas turbines....

 

[shade]

As per the information I received from a very creditable source Pakistan has fuel reserves for 14 days and ammunition reserves for 8 days for full scale war.

there will be no full scale war.there will be crying to Uncle Sam,Chowmeindar Bhaijaan and their Masters sitting in Arabia

 

[tharun]

there will be no full scale war.there will be crying to Uncle Sam,Chowmeindar Bhaijaan and their Masters sitting in Arabia

But there is some thing people will come to rescue them their brotherhood will unite no one will come to rescue us except russia that too i can't guarantee

 

[jackprince]

So you think war is driven by India's economy? Or you think India will capitulate after first 15 days.

You have a romantic notion of war. It is unfortunate.

India can easily sustain a war for years. The economy will be hurt, yes, but India has considerable resources.

No nation, not even US of A can sustain a full scale modern war for years. Partly because at least one of the party's hardware would be destryed by then as the modern hardwares cannot be built in bulk quantity, or even completely in house. But mostly because a fullscale war means so much drainage of resources, that even USA will crumple economically if it has to fight without pause incessantly for over a month. Now, gerrilla wars or low intensity wars are different and an AC is hardly the tool to use for it except in support role.

 

[garg_bharat]

No nation, not even US of A can sustain a full scale modern war for years. Partly because at least one of the party's hardware would be destryed by then as the modern hardwares cannot be built in bulk quantity, or even completely in house. But mostly because a fullscale war means so much drainage of resources, that even USA will crumple economically if it has to fight without pause incessantly for over a month. Now, gerrilla wars or low intensity wars are different and an AC is hardly the tool to use for it except in support role.

You are wrong. Just look at many wars in recent history. Even Yemen war has been going on for more than one year despite naval blockade and one side clearly having much greater firepower.

Conventional wars also follow a pattern of peaks and troughs and can go on for several years.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

No nation, not even US of A can sustain a full scale modern war for years. Partly because at least one of the party's hardware would be destryed by then as the modern hardwares cannot be built in bulk quantity, or even completely in house. But mostly because a fullscale war means so much drainage of resources, that even USA will crumple economically if it has to fight without pause incessantly for over a month. Now, gerrilla wars or low intensity wars are different and an AC is hardly the tool to use for it except in support role.

In India Pakistan scenario total war is possible. Both of this countries buy hardware of the shelf from 3rd parties. And of course Pakistan is a psycho.

 

[jackprince]

You are wrong. Just look at many wars in recent history. Even Yemen war has been going on for more than one year despite naval blockade and one side clearly having much greater firepower.

Conventional wars also follow a pattern of peaks and troughs and can go on for several years.

Yemen war is nothing but a large scale gerrila warfare, same as Syria or elsewhere in ME. Naval blockades hardly ever work against low scale gerrila warfare where one party sources its resources from the land itself or has land routes to some friendly power which can provide necessary support.