India 'watchful' of China's rising military profile: Defence ministry

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  1. JAYRAM

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    PTI Apr 9, 2012, 06.30PM IST

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    NEW DELHI: Noting that China has upgraded its military force projection against India through rapid modernisation, the defence ministry on Monday said the country was "conscious and watchful" of Beijing's rising military profile in the immediate and extended neighbourhood.

    In its annual report for 2011-12 released on Monday, the defence ministry said Pakistan continued to be a "cause of concern" due to undiminished activities of terror organisations there.






    "Chinese footprints in India's neighbourhood are increasing progressively due to its proactive diplomacy through political, military and economic engagements.

    "Rapid infrastructure development in Tibet and Xinjiang has considerably upgraded China's military force projection against India and improved their overall strategic and operational flexibility," the ministry said in its report.

    The report said "India remains conscious and watchful of the implications of China's profile in the immediate and extended neighbourhood."

    The report said the Army is "fully seized" of the security scenario and has "identified" strategically important infrastructure requirements along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) and they are being developed in a phased manner.

    The report said India has been desirous of cordial relations with China and "to this end, a policy of positive engagement and maintaining peace and tranquillity along the LAC is ensured".

    On the Pakistan front, the report said that a prosperous Pakistan was in the best interest of India but the "existence of terrorist camps across the India-Pakistan border and continued infiltration attempts along the Line of Control (LoC) continue to pose a threat".


    India 'watchful' of China's rising military profile: Defence ministry - Times Of India
     
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    Now then, why isn't the ministry saying what have they done to counter the might of the Chinese. Either the defence ministry or the the Armed Forces must show our might and our efforts being done to counter the Chinese. At least a glance of what INDIA is doing to counter the move of Chinese. Whenever the media puts forward the question of what India is doing to counter the Chinese developments, only one answer comes form the Defence ministry, the defence minister and also the Prime Minister of INDIA which says that INDIA is watching closely what the Chinese are doing. What do they mean by that, are they watching any Hollywood or Bollywood movies in a movie theater?
     
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    Why are we so concerned about China?

    Haven't they repeatedly stated that they are cute cuddly Pandas?

    And that they are such a loveable nation which has no territorial ambition, excepting what they delusionally feel that it is China!

    Like say, the whole world!

    They are after all, the Middle Kingdom and everything revolves around China!
     
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    China has more resources but India not 'under-prepared': MM Pallam Raju

    NEW DELHI: Noting that China has more resources to dedicate for modernisation of its defence forces, government today asserted that India is not "under-prepared" in anyway and is also acquiring capabilities to build its infrastructure along the border for security needs.

    "China's budget is four times that of India so they will definitely have larger resources dedicated to that (for modernisations purposes)," Minister of State for Defence M M Pallam Raju told reporters here.

    He was replying to a question on rapid modernisation of military infrastructure by Chinese Army along its border with India which was mentioned in the recently released Annual Report of Defence Ministry for the year 2011-12.

    Raju emphasised that all efforts are being made by the Indian government to improve military infrastructure in the bordering areas.

    Stressing that India is not "under-prepared" in anyway, he said "we are also gathering momentum in the way we are acquiring capabilities and the way we are building our infrastructure."

    In the Annual Report-2011-12, the Defence Ministry has highlighted the way China is increasing its footprints in India's immediate neighbourhood.

    "Rapid infrastructure development in Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR) and Xinjiang province has considerably upgraded China's military force projection and application capability against India and improved their overall strategic and operational flexibility," the report had said.

    Underlining that India desires a peaceful and cordial relation with China, the report had said, "Chinese footprints in India's immediate neighbourhood are increasing progressively due to its proactive diplomacy through political, military and economic cooperation and engagement."

    GOI is still gaining & gathering Momentum where as china is ready with necessary infrastructure & fire power.
     
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    Re: India 'watchful' of China's rising military profile: Defence minis

    This is in reaction to the report –"India 'watchful' of China’s rising military profile."

    In this debate of India’s preparedness on China’s military rise there are standard arguments for and against a corresponding Indian build-up against China’s military investment that is backed by a second big world economy status.
    A. Arguments ‘Against’
    1. Soon after China’s first nuclear explosion in 1964, China declared its ‘no-first-use’ policy. In a Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs ‘statement faxed (1996) to this writer [then UN-correspondent at Vienna International Center (U.N.)] by the then Chinese Ambassador in Vienna, HE Chang Che, it said: “Since the first day when China came into possession of nuclear weapons, China has solemnly declared that at no time and under no circumstances will it be the first to use nuclear weapons. China has also undertaken unconditionally not to use or threaten to use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear weapon states or nuclear weapon-free zones. China is the only nuclear weapon-state in the world that has made and abided by such commitments. China has never deployed nuclear weapons outside its border, nor has it ever used or threatened to use nuclear weapons against other countries. “ (highlights my own)

    2. China has never entered into any military blocs implying, its military build-up is solely for defending itself and its borders (includes its claims on neighbouring islands!), thus other countries should not worry of its military strength.

    3. China cannot afford to antagonise the world in embarking on external aggression for fear of losing its big world market, hence its wealth and economic strength.

    4. India has an on-going and ever-growing, substantial, and prospective trade with China, hence a military build-up, let alone a confrontation, is not called for. China’s military build-up is directed against the U.S. and its allies and not against India, thus India better spare its money.

    B. Arguments ‘For’
    1. In spite of its “no first-use” China moved a fair portion of its nuclear arsenals to India’s borders in East and North soon after India’s 1998 nuclear/thermonuclear explosions. This obviously compels India to a defensive build-up to strategically counter China and Pakistan simultaneously, as forced on it by the strategic,“balance of terror” parity logic, although India too has declared its “no first-use”.
    2. India requires a large, effective maritime force, not just to protect its large ocean borders alone, but also to deploy in emergency to shield those vital goods trespassing sea lanes to ensure commercial security. Additionally, India could be called upon by neighbouring States for defensive help.
    3. To counter China’s relatively huge build-up and not squander its money in “parity deficit” vis-à-vis China, India is forced to cooperate with democratic countries like, Japan, Australia, South Korea and democratic ASEAN States. That could prevent China from going “erratic” and hinder its aggression in Asia.
    4. China has amassed a vast amount of high-tech know-how and know-why in producing its own state-of-the-art combat stealth planes, war ships (including nuc subs & nuc-powered aircraft carriers), Outer Space enemy satellite elimination etc. etc. that India can’t overlook and afford to keep still. Thus India seeks help in these areas from Russia, the U.S. and lately Japan.


    In light of these, there are severe limitations to India’s options.
    i. It is still a poor country having more poor people than the LDC’s in Africa put together, a poverty problem China eliminated long ago, thanks to its communist dictatorship.
    ii. It needs an enormous amount of money& resources to build its infrastructure. Even Russia, despite being a top military power and a major exporter of military goods, is forced to buy Germany technology and expertise to make up for infrastructure deficits. India’s position fairs no better.
    iii. Pakistan has opted ridiculously the “first-use”, ludicrously citing NATO as its mentor. One has to ask, NATO being a bunch of world’s richest with nil sanctions to fear, hence can afford “self-enlightened” aggression on anybody outside NATO, what is an economic “pariah” Pakistan after all, to parade and be proud of a “first use”? India’s purse is overtly stretched to secure an absolutely effective, nuclear second-strike for this very reason, to stop Pakistan from nuclear adventure.
    iv. India as non-aligned, can afford to “cooperate” only, but not “confront” by entering into a formal military alliance, be it in Indian Ocean or South China Sea.
    v. China’s “double-face” is a big strategy planning problem. One doesn’t know when to believe and not to believe. Despite signaling an image of a self-styled peace promoter (official Chinese position) many believe, it has sedulously proliferated nuclear weapon technology to Pakistan and via Pak to N. Korea and space missile technology to N. Korea and via N. Korea to Pakistan, all crafty “black” deals.
    vi. India is in a sticky corner, forced to give a semblance of military parity strength requiring unaffordable billions in forex and simultaneously save every cent to combat its infrastructure problems and mass poverty, altogether an envious situation to be caught in.

    George Chakko, former UN-correspondent at the Vienna International Center, now retiree.
    December 02, 2012, Vienna, Austria

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    Re: India 'watchful' of China's rising military profile: Defence minis

    Is there any country doesn't claim itself a peace-loving country?

    Well, at least Chinese is willing to sit down and talk it through while some countries just started its "forward policy" after resisting any suggestion of diplomatic negotiation for more than 10 years.
     
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    Re: India 'watchful' of China's rising military profile: Defence minis

    i seriously wonder what the watching is about ? what is there to watch ? you mean by now we still dont know that they are daily encroaching on our border regions , we dont know their claim on arunachal is serious

    ...watching while china's military manufacturing overtakes ours by leaps and bounds ??

    china is going full steam ahead in their military manufacturing - churning out the numbers ............

    while india has VALIANTLY manufactured ONE LCA aircraft , which is of good quality , china has manufactured quite a number by now , starting with junk and slowly upgrading .....the JF 17 was a junk and they have cleverly "gifted".that to pak but they learned and now china's J21 is no longer junk ...........

    im not saying we should do the same by starting with manufacturing junk and with low standards, we can leapfrog the process , but rather giving much more weightage to indigenous manufacturing than is occurring at present

    ....we still are in a procurement mindset , rather than a manufacturing mindset - i hope that will change .
     
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    Re: India 'watchful' of China's rising military profile: Defence minis

    What is the use of just "watching" China? our defense industry is seriously lagging behind them, we should do something about it. More private firms should be allowed in the defense sector.
     
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    Re: India 'watchful' of China's rising military profile: Defence minis

    We are doing many things floating out tenders then scrap them start the whole process again,our defence ministry gives lot of speeches to media so I guess by Indian standards we are doing a lot :p
     
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    Re: India 'watchful' of China's rising military profile: Defence minis

    Keep watching till another 1962 repeats then again start keep watching
     
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    Re: India 'watchful' of China's rising military profile: Defence minis

    Israel!

    They make no bones about their intentions.



    That is right China sits down and does nothing more but bide its time for the opportune moment!
     
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    Re: India 'watchful' of China's rising military profile: Defence minis

    we have a lot of other important works to do other than watching china!i mean come on guys they ain't worth it!they don't have the guts to attack us by land(the last time they tried they literally got their ass wh**ped in 1987 Nathu-La incident:lol:),again they simply don't have the capacity to invade us by air(other than a handfull of Su-30 MKK they don't have any other "decent" combat aircraft:wave:).last but not the least they won't dare to attack us by sea coz again here they don't have that capacity to launch a large scale marine borne expedition like U.S.(their sole a/c carrier Varyag has been turned into a floating casino by CCP!:rofl:).so we shouldn't worry unnecessarily about their military growth but that doesn't mean that we should stop our modernization program,rather we should continue it with a greater speed so that we would become a dominant military player in the international arena!:rolleyes:
     
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    Re: India 'watchful' of China's rising military profile: Defence minis


    India is doomed not because any other country is going to invade it. It is doomed because of the following reasons.

    Maoist rebellion, currently 100000 strong and growing rapidly. Because of widening income disparity and high concentration of land in very few upper castle landlords, the poor who number ca 800 million and consitute the majority of Inda's population, are increasingly being sold on marxism and on using force to redistribute wealth. In a way, what hapened in China in the 30's and 40's, is happening in India right now.

    The unstoppable islamization. We are in the age of islamic awakening. India was under islamic rule for much of the past millenium, and the entire islamic world still views India as lost territory they must get back. (Hindu) Indians looks like muslims, smell like muslims, dress like muslims, yet refuse to practice islam, that's of curse unacceptable to the mullahs and extremists around the world. Being home to around 200 million increasingly radicalized muslims India's return to islamic world is written on the wall.

    The ever-increasing population. Inida's population is still growing at 1.7% per year and fertility rate is still at a very high 2.8 per woman. The population will undoubtly cross 2 billion around 2050, and it may not even stop there. Yet, there are so few jobs around. Only 1% of India's population works in the manufacuring sector, and India is not competitive in manufacturing any thing despite of plentiful of dirt-cheap labour. India is one of few large developing countries that import both raw materials as well as finished products. There is no way India would be able to generate like 1 billion jobs that are required to keep the country stable.
     
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    Re: India 'watchful' of China's rising military profile: Defence minis

    Brain fart alert.
     
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    Re: India 'watchful' of China's rising military profile: Defence minis

    :bored: :bored: :bored: .........
     
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    Re: India 'watchful' of China's rising military profile: Defence minis

    maoists,seriously dude!they are increasingly becoming exinct in India:rofl:!where did you get these kinds of funny farting informations!now comes the islamization part,we have survived for the last 6,000 years,preserving our own culture and religion(although we did accept many good features of Islamic cultures during the course of time),so i think we'll hold our own in the near forseeable future!now regarding generating jobs,no country can generate cent percent job for all its citizens(this implies to U.S. and Western Europe too).so again i think we'll do just fine in the future!got it mate!and btw did you get your stipulated 50 cents for a day long trolling from CCP or not!:taunt:
     
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    Re: India 'watchful' of China's rising military profile: Defence minis

    If another side of negotiation rejects to come to the table, there is nothing more you can do, do you?
     
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    Re: India 'watchful' of China's rising military profile: Defence minis

    Valid point.

    However, when one knows that the so called negotiation merely means endorsing the other nation's rigid point of view, what is the use of such 'negotiations'.

    For instance, will China ever give up her claims on the SCS, event though it is suggested that the international law of seas be the baseline?

    I don't think so.
     

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