India walks fine line over China's air defence zone

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    India’s government has to date avoided taking sides in the tense dispute over China’s announcement last month of an air defence identification zone (ADIZ) in the East China Sea. The US and Japan have challenged China’s declaration by flying military aircraft into the zone, which overlaps the Japanese ADIZ and includes the disputed Senkaku/Diaoyu islands, leading to the danger of conflict provoked by a miscalculation or mistake.

    Indian External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid first commented on December 5, nearly two weeks after China’s ADIZ was announced. Speaking at an energy event in New Delhi, he declared India’s “standard position” was that “any issue must be resolved between concerned parties through dialogue.” Saying India did not support “threats” or the “use of force,” he added: “When you ask key people to do a dialogue, then you are on both sides.”

    In comments cited in the Hindustan Times, former foreign secretary Lalit Mansingh spelled out the rationale behind the “standard position,” saying: “India has its own set of problems with China. It’s better not to take positions on other countries’ problem with China.” India and China have strained relations in their decades-old border dispute over Arunchal Pradesh, Ladakh and Sikkim, which led to war between the two countries in 1962.

    Suspicion remains between the two regional rivals, exacerbated by the Obama administration’s “pivot to Asia,” which is aimed at undermining China diplomatically and encircling it militarily. Washington is building a strategic partnership with New Delhi as a counterweight to Beijing in South Asia. The US is encouraging India, like Japan, to more aggressively assert its interests against China.

    Facing a crisis in the East China Sea, China has sought to avoid tensions with India. Foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said Beijing would not declare an ADIZ along the border between India and China. “On the concept of an ADIZ, it is an area of airspace established by a coastal state beyond its territorial airspace,” he said. So establishing an ADIZ along the border with India “does not arise,” he added.

    Despite Beijing’s efforts to avoid a row with New Delhi, Indian President Pranab Mukherjee last month toured the northeastern state of Arunchal Pradesh, which is claimed by China. Mukherjee declared that the area was an “integral and important part of India,” provoking an immediate reaction from China.

    Chinese foreign affairs spokesman Qin urged India not to “take any measures that could complicate the problem,” adding, “together we can protect peace and security in the border regions.” He called for a continuation of “special envoy meetings and amicable discussions to resolve the border dispute.”

    Significant sections of the Indian establishment are pushing for New Delhi to take a harder line toward China.

    Arvind Gupta, an analyst for the Institute for Defence Studies and Analysis, a leading defence think-tank, commented: “The poser for India is how would it deal with the situation if the Chinese declared an ADIZ somewhere along the disputed border? Indian policy makers must be mulling over this eventuality.”

    The right-wing journal, India Today, published an article by Samir Saran and Abhijit Iyer-Mitra of the Observer Research Foundation in New Delhi entitled, “China aggression is a global threat.” They declared: “This [ADIZ] portends trouble for India. Today if China declares an ADIZ in the east, what prevents it from declaring the same over Arunchal, Sikkim or Ladakh?”

    The authors criticised India for not having the close relations with the US that would allow basing rights for the B-52 bombers recently flown by the US air force into the Chinese ADIZ. “India must urgently explore a variety of options to restore deterrence vis-à-vis China,” they stated, by enhancing its economic clout, developing its air force and forging a close alignment with Japan.

    In comments to the Express News, Indian naval chief, Admiral D. K. Joshi, downplayed China’s “unilateral announcement” of an air defence zone, saying it “hasn’t bothered the Navy much.” He expressed particular concern, however, that the ADIZ could be extended to the South China Sea.

    The Indian company, ONGC Videsh Ltd, is involved in joint ventures with the Vietnam Oil and Gas Group, to explore for oil and gas in areas of the South China Sea claimed by both Vietnam and China. China has called on India to end its involvement. Last December, Admiral Joshi threatened to deploy Indian warships to the area to protect exploration vessels from the Chinese coast guard.

    Commenting this month, Joshi said: “We do have units with integral air elements and sometimes they do operate [in the South China Sea]. Therefore, this particular issue [China’s ADIZ in the East China Sea] is under close examination.”

    India and Japan are also forming closer relations, as highlighted by the six-day visit by Japan’s emperor Akhito and his wife to India from November 30. The Indian media hailed the tour as a “defining moment” in relations between the two countries.

    Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe pushed for the visit as a means of strengthening strategic ties with India. According to media reports, the emperor’s visit followed “a pressing request from the Japanese Prime Minister” for Akhito to tour India. Abe, a right-wing nationalist, is calling for the formation of a “democratic security diamond,” which would include Japan, Australia, India and the US, to counter the alleged threat posed by China.

    While India has not joined the “security diamond,” New Delhi has entered deals with the Abe government to develop the Indian economy and military capabilities. In May, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh visited Tokyo amid sharp tensions in India’s border dispute with China over Arunchal Pradesh. Abe has been invited to India as the chief guest at Republican Day celebrations in New Delhi in January.

    Stronger ties between India and Japan, particularly in defence cooperation, will only heighten suspicions toward New Delhi in Beijing and lead to a deterioration of relations. Just as the US “pivot to Asia” has created a dangerous flashpoint in the East China Sea, so it is greatly heightening volatility and the risk of conflict throughout Asia.

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    Does Salman Kurshid Sahib know the future? Tomorrow if the Chinese change their position on the AP border like they have done in the past, what soothing soundbites can we expect from him? A Dynamic Counter pressure against ADIZ, as well as making clear that ADIZ on the AP border and any such nonsense will not be tolerated, is the need of the hour. If Oxbridge educated Indians are not able to secure the Country's future, then the masses are even ready to support a Chai Wallah, who will do so.
     
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    in fact india can be pleased that the system allows people to rise up from whatever level
    to wherever they are able to rise to

    we can be pleased that a former tea -seller is not prevented as he has the ability to lead a major party
    and perhaps the nation too

    not too far back we already had the system which allowed a former newspaper boy to rise up,
    gain a doctorate, be a leading rocket scientist and then become president

    if only we could be innovative and get rid of corruption - no telling what other heights might be achieved
     
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    The key is not what China will do about AP border in the future.
    The key is what India can get from this ADIZ drama which is thousands miles away.
    Certainly, India should stand out to express her voice if any side is willing to offer something for India's support.
    But so far, either side is giving any offer yet. Then India jumps out to offer something for nothing in return?
     
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    See, the way I see things, it goes like this:

    > The key very much includes what China will do about AP border in the future.
    > Nice Try , but from where im sitting, even the AP Border is 1000 of miles away.
    >Certainly, India should stand out to express her voice , whether any mothers' son offers support or not is Secondary here.
    > The Chinese are behaving like new Gangsters in the Neighborhood. How we stand up to them will decide our future.



     
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    So east china sea is in India's neighbourhood? or India has the force to change the situation there?

    Well, in the eyes of your neighbours, you are not better than China.
     
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    Are you a politician?? Lower rung of CCP perhaps??

    India has the capability and the means to wrest anything from china or pakistan. The only thing it is lacking is stiff necked politicians. So if you are one of those, it would be good to enroll your services..;)

    BTW, dont give me your bs about your pla. If push comes to show, it will be a free for all.:thumb:
     
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    India has the capability and the means to wrest anything from china or pakistan. The only thing it is lacking is stiff necked politicians. So if you are one of those, it would be good to enroll your services..;)

    BTW, dont give me your bs about your pla. If push comes to show, it will be a free for all.:thumb:[/QUOTE]

    Maybe you should come back to this real world.

    There is lots of limits on every country's capability.

    From what I learned from forum, India never lacked of stiff necked politicians (at least they have plenty of reserations like you). What India really lacks is those who have the courage to acknowlege those limits instead of ignoring it.
     
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    Maybe you should come back to this real world.

    There is lots of limits on every country's capability.

    From what I learned from forum, India never lacked of stiff necked politicians (at least they have plenty of reserations like you). What India really lacks is those who have the courage to acknowlege those limits instead of ignoring it.[/QUOTE]

    You got it wrong. Stiff necked in the sense like the Israelites. I should have put it more plainly like you did in your last sentence. Also, courage alone will not suffice in the event of going full on ahead.

    There may be limits for every country, that is why the US is not able to contain Iran and NK. At the same time, my last sentence in my previous post still holds good. BTW, this is the real world. You better come out of your CCP induced dream world.
     
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    Did I say anything about China? What are you arguing about? Where did I say that India should take Chinese side or did I say anything to defend China?

    All I point out is that Indian politicians are far more smarter than most of Indian members think.
    When indian members are thinking everything with mind, they can make the decision based on brain.
     

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