India, US close to inking over $600 mlln jet engine deal

[asianobserve]

Is that a mock-up?

 

[bhramos]

yup, its just a mock up...

looks sexo in dark green.........

 

[p2prada]

Or India could go for ECO and save money on all levels with a cheaper and common engine. Rafale, Tejas and AMCA...

For AMCA and Rafale, most probably yes. The JV is for AMCA first. Rafale may follow up with a new engine 10-12 years after induction during MLUs.

I don't think LCAs which were modified for F-414 can carry the JV engine. The JV engine can be offered for export in the form of Mk3 though.

 

[Drsomnath999]

brahmos how did u know that lca mark 2 ,do u have any link from where u got these pics,

 

[Neil]

M88-2E4 costs €600 million for 120 engines. GE F-414 costs $600 million for 99 engines.

armand €600 million vs $600 million....please do your math again....

 

[bhramos]

brahmos how did u know that lca mark 2 ,do u have any link from where u got these pics,

Didn't u see excitatory mark !!! i asked the question, is it LCA MKII!!!

 

[Armand2REP]

armand €600 million vs $600 million....please do your math again....

I wasn't doing math, just listing prices.

 

[Zebra]

Or India could go for ECO and save money on all levels with a cheaper and common engine. Rafale, Tejas and AMCA...

If IAF need the under power engine for LCA than what is wrong with Kaveri as it is? Much more cheaper. Let it be only 11,687 lbf thrust.
If we have to pay for it than get the more powerful engine. Which is GE 414.

ECO demonstrator:
The ECO technology demonstrator confirmed that the M88's thrust could be increased to the 20,000 lb class.
http://www.snecma.com/IMG/files/fiche_m88_2011_ang_hd_modulvoir_file_fr.pdf


GE 414:
Maximum thrust: 22,000 lbf (98 kN)
(wiki)

 

[Zebra]

Or India could go for ECO and save money on all levels with a cheaper and common engine. Rafale, Tejas and AMCA...

If IAF need the under power engine for LCA than what is wrong with Kaveri as it is? Much more cheaper. Let it be only 11,687 lbf thrust.

And if we have to pay for it, to other nation than get the more powerful engine. Which is GE 414.

ECO demonstrator:
The ECO technology demonstrator confirmed that the M88's thrust could be increased to the 20,000 lb class.
http://www.snecma.com/IMG/files/fiche_m88_2011_ang_hd_modulvoir_file_fr.pdf


GE 414:
Maximum thrust: 22,000 lbf (98 kN)
(wiki)

 

[Armand2REP]

ECO vs 414

Weight = 2171/2445 lbs
Dry thrust = 13500/14000 lbs
T/W dry = 6.2/5.7
Wet thrust = 20250/22000
T/W wet = 9.3/8.9
Fuel cons. = .80/.84

The F414 is 13% heavier and has lower T/W than ECO. It burns quite a bit more fuel per hour. Both cost $6 million at current conversion rates.

 

[vikaskumar11233]

Its a good deal.As making indigenous plane is far better than deploying the complete foreign planes with a bundle of contract papers.

 

[Immanuel]

However, F414 is by far the most reliable jet engine ever made, the thing has never had a failure that I have heard of. It has had thousands and thousands of hours of punishing proven track record, would prefer that over the ECO any time of the day.

Plus F 414 has new tech that is a gen ahead of anything out there. Significant weight reductions on the engine will easily show up in the LCA version being developed from the ground up. Lets not forget the price we are paying also includes develoment work the engine is not a drop in fit.

General Electric primes CMC for turbine blades

http://ceramics.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/gs1-emerging-apps-ge-luthra.pdf

Ge's research and testing into this area is way ahead and seems to be an Indian at the helm of this work

Besides weight reduction will allow for higher T/W ratio. Moreover, EPE version exists incase more thrust is needed

 

[devil510]

so will they really achieve something

 

[Armand2REP]

However, F414 is by far the most reliable jet engine ever made, the thing has never had a failure that I have heard of. It has had thousands and thousands of hours of punishing proven track record, would prefer that over the ECO any time of the day.

Navy: Dual-Engine Failure Caused April Fighter Crash - DOTMIL (usnews.com)

 

[Immanuel]

Navy: Dual-Engine Failure Caused April Fighter Crash - DOTMIL (usnews.com)

Navy F/A-18 Hornet crash puts aging US fighter jet fleet back in spotlight - The Hill's DEFCON Hill

The plane that crashed was a old Hornet D model with GE F404 engines and not the F414.

 

[p2prada]

Besides weight reduction will allow for higher T/W ratio. Moreover, EPE version exists incase more thrust is needed

And the Americans will expect us to pay for the development, followed by integration. The regular F-414 comes at $8Million a piece. Almost triple of what USN pays GE. Let's not triple even that.

 

[Immanuel]

We seem to be paying 600 mill for 99 engines including TOT. that comes out just a little over 6 mill per engine, if EPE version is needed, i think the cost won't be that much higher. LCA mk-2 powered with the EPE would pretty much make it the deadliest single engine 4.5 gen fighter out there, EF, Rafale will have a tough time keeping up, the price increase is totally worth it.

 

[p2prada]

The EPE comes with 5th gen technologies including new blades and a larger diameter. It won't be cheap. It was nearly offered for the MRCA program, but IAF rejected it because the dates for final config offered was over.

IAF won't need the extra 2 tons of thrust anyway. 98KN is plenty as is on a 7 ton jet. That's 10 tons. Too much power can be bad for aerodynamics if the airframe is not designed for it. LCA isn't designed for it. We don't want the wings to tear during flight, do we?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Good Development..