India, US close to inking over $600 mlln jet engine deal

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  1. LETHALFORCE

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    India, US close to inking over $600 mlln jet engine deal - Hindustan Times

    India and the US are close to signing a deal worth over $600 million for supplying 99 jet engines that would be used in the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft 'Tejas' being developed by the DRDO. Around two years ago, India had selected the American company General Electric over its rival


    European Eurojet 2000 for the LCA Mark II programme expected to be ready around 2014-15.
    Negotiations with the US firm over various issues involved in the deal, including price and transfer of technology, have been held and it is hoped that the deal for these engines to be fitted on the LCA Mark II would be signed soon, Defence sources told PTI here.

    As per the contract, the order could be for 99 engines initially but India will have the option of order for another 100 engines in the future.

    The engine on offer for the LCA Mark II is GE F-414 engine, which are more powerful that the GE F-404 engines fitted in the first batch of LCAs that the Indian Air Force would receive in near future.

    The need for changing the existing engines in the LCAs was felt after the IAF found out that the GE-404 engines were not providing enough power to the aircraft and more powerful engines were needed for the purpose.

    The DRDO is developing the LCA Mk II to meet the Indian Air Force requirements and it will have latest technological equipment including the latest Active Electronic Scanned Array (AESA) radar and would be able to carry more payload than the LCA Mk I.

    Last month, the trials of the LCA Mk I were carried out in Pokharan desert firing range where laser-guided bombs and other weapon systems were tried.

    As per the current plans, the IAF will induct two squadrons of the LCA Mk I and then the delivery of LCA Mk II aircraft would done.
     
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    Engine Overview

    The F414-GE-400 is the U.S. Navy's newest and most advanced technology fighter engine in production. This afterburning turbofan incorporates advanced technology based on the proven design of GE's F404 to provide the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet with a durable, reliable and easy to maintain engine.

    The engine entered production in late 1998 after a highly successful Engineering and Manufacturing Development program that was completed on time and on budget. F/A-18E/F Super Hornet production deliveries to the U.S. Navy are expected to continue through at least 2014.

    The F414-GE-400 turbofan builds upon the excellent reliability, operability and readiness of the F404 engine. The combat-proven F414 has delivered excellent reliability and 35 percent more thrust than the original F404. It has significantly improved the Boeing F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet's range, payload and survivability. Advanced technology features such as a Full Authority Digital Electronic Control (FADEC) improve operational characteristics of the engine while the latest materials and cooling techniques allow for higher temperatures and pressures without sacrificing component life.

    In December 2003, the Navy awarded Boeing a system development and demonstration contract for the EA-18G to replace the EA-6B Prowler. The EA-18G Growler made its first flight in August 2006 and achieved initial operational capability in September 2009 on cost and on schedule.

    The F414G provides 22,000 lbs. of thrust and was produced for the Saab JAS 39 Gripen Demonstrator, a multi-role attach and reconnaissance aircraft and was recently selected by Switzerland for the Gripen NG.

    F414 | Military Engines | Military Jet | Turbofan | GE Aviation
     
  5. Koovie

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    So many engines? I thought the IAF will buy around 40LCAs? Or are the other engines used as reserve engines?
     
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    This for LCA MK2
     
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    India's LCA has the most advanced F-404 version and will be followed by the most advanced F-414 version.
     
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    I hope they dont attach any secret strings /conditions into it.

    One more thing is we have to take their permission while exporting LCA to other countries, welll any country is interested to buy LCA or not thats a different thing :lol:
     
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    LCA engines were always sold with a no export clause.
     
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    well that means we cant sell LCA to any other country .If we have scnema /kaveri engine we could have exported to any country
     
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    Yes you can, if the other country can get a clearance from the US state department, like it is done for Gripen.
     
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    I thought they signed that shit years ago...
     
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    No. Only the preferred bidder was selected.
     
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    wth has LCA been doing all this time, playing with itself?
     
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    The design phase of Mk2 is still ongoing or must have ended very recently.

    Considering AMCA's design phase has started, it would seem the Mk2 design phase has ended.

    The Mk1 is progressing as slowly as ever.
     
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    Why would we want to export this when our requirements are far from being met??
     
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    It is cheaper than French shit.
    If I am not wrong.
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    M88-2E4 costs €600 million for 120 engines. GE F-414 costs $600 million for 99 engines.
     
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    M88-2
    Performance
    Maximum thrust: 50 kN (11,250 lbf) dry, 75 kN (16,900 lbf) wet (afterburning)
    Overall pressure ratio: 24.5:1
    Bypass ratio: 0.3
    Turbine inlet temperature: 1,850K (2,870 °F)
    Fuel consumption: 0.80 kg/(daN*h) (0.78 lbm/(lbf*h)) (dry), 1.75 kg/(daN*h) (1.72 lbm/(lbf*hr)) (wet/afterburning)
    Thrust-to-weight ratio: 5.7:1 (dry), 8.5:1 (wet/afterburning)

    F414
    Performance
    Maximum thrust: 22,000 lbf (98 kN)
    Overall pressure ratio: 30:1
    Thrust-to-weight ratio: 9:1 [1]

    Since you almost get 2 equivalents of M88-2 for one F414, I don't think the former engine is less expensive.
     
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    Or India could go for ECO and save money on all levels with a cheaper and common engine. Rafale, Tejas and AMCA...
     
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    LCA MKII Ground Attack Version!!!!

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