India to spend $3 billion for 3 more Talwar-class frigates

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  1. Daredevil

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    Russia is going to get a fresh order of building three more Talwar-class stealth frigates for India later this year which is likely to be worth $3 billion. The frigates have substantially enhanced Indian Navy’s firepower in the region mainly because of their stealth capabilities.

    Knowledgeable sources told RIR that the Indians have already orally conveyed their in-principle decision to Russia to construct three more Talwar-class frigates. A formal contract is likely to be signed after Russia delivers to India the third and final Talwar-class stealth frigate INS Trikand, being built at the Yantar shipyard in Russia. The delivery is expected in June 2013.

    The game-changer aspect of the Talwar class frigates is its stealth technology and a special hull design. These features enable the Talwar class frigates to be extremely useful in a wide range of missions like finding and eliminating enemy submarines and large surface ships. The Talwar-class frigates are the first Indian Navy warships to have stealth features.

    What the Fresh Deal May Entail

    Sources in the Indian defence establishment said the mood is quite upbeat about the successful Talwar-class frigates experiment and once the current cycle gets completed after the delivery of INS Trikand, the Indian Navy will take a call on issuing a formal order to Russia.


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    Source: Rossiyskaya Gazeta

    The new set of frigates will be more technologically advanced and each of the next three Talwar-class frigates will be equipped with BrahMos missiles. The existing Talwar-class boats and the upcoming INS Trikand are not BrahMos-equipped because they were designed before the BrahMos naval variant could be developed.

    Therefore the greatest USP of the upcoming order for three more Talwar-class frigates would be that for the first time these frigates will be fitted with BrahMos. “This is the single most important reason why the Russians don’t really have to worry whether they are going to get this order or not,” a source said on condition of anonymity.

    Likely irritants

    It is a question of when, not if, Russia would be getting the fresh order for the Talwar-class frigates. The Indians would pitch for inclusion of a financial penalties clause for Russian failure to meet delivery deadlines. The Indians are unhappy that the Russians invariably fail to meet the delivery deadlines and eventually jack up the prices too.

    The same problem has been witnessed in the Talwar-class frigates episode. Though the boats are doing well, the delivery deadline was pushed back by one year or so for all the vessels. Even INS Trikand was scheduled to be delivered to India by April 2012.

    Russia will have to streamline its procedures and remove recurring problems of delays and price hikes. In December 2010, Russian shipbuilding plant Yantar had asked Russia's state arms exporter, Rosoboronexport, for an additional $100 million to complete construction of the three frigates for the Indian Navy. However, in this case it was an internal problem relating to VAT refund and the Russians this time did not jack up the already negotiated price.

    Staggered Payment

    Another good thing from the Russian point of view is that it would be a government-to-government dealing wherein floating of global tender will not be required.

    Stung by the Agusta Westland VVIP helicopters scandal, the Indian Ministry of Defence is likely to stipulate a stringent and transparent payment schedule. In the case of Agusta Westland deal, the MoD was flustered when it realized that only India stood to lose if it were to scrap the chopper deal because the Italian company had been paid more than fifty percent of the total amount though just about 33 percent of the work had been done.

    Therefore, the contract for the new deal would focus on staggered payments after a mutually agreeable advance payment is made.

    India had awarded a $1.6 billion contract to the Yantar shipyard in 2006 to build three modified Talwar class for the Indian Navy. The final trials of INS Trikand have already started in the Baltic Sea. Yantar shipyard spokesman Sergei Mikhailov has been quoted in a recent RIA Novosti report as saying that INS Trikand was cleared for final state trials on April 4, 2013 which should be completed by this month end.

    The Indian Navy got a major fillip to its firepower with the arrival of its latest acquisition INS Tarkash at Mumbai on December 27, 2012. Built by the Yantar Shipyard, Kaliningrad, Russia, INS Tarkash was second of three project 1135.6 (follow-on Talwar class) ships ordered by Indian Navy, the first being INS Teg which joined the fleet in June 2012.

    What Makes Talwar Class Frigates Formidable

    These ships, a modification of Krivak III class Russian frigates, are designed to carry and operate one heavy duty early warning helicopter which can provide over-the-horizon targeting. The Talwar-class frigates can also have the indigenously built Dhruv light combat helicopter.

    The frigate’s efficacy in anti-submarine warfare can be gauged by the fact that its RPK-8 rocket system has a firing range from 600 to 4300 metres and the depth of engagement of up to 1000 metres.

    Its combat data system independently generates combat missions based on situation analysis, determines optimal number of missile firings, displays information on the state of ship-borne weaponry and transmits data to protection systems.

    The Talwar-class frigate is armed with a new 3M-54 Klub attack anti-ship system with a vertical missile launcher. This anti-ship system is an 8.22 meters (27 ft) long missile using active radar guidance with a range of 220 kilometres. It is a three-stage missile in which the terminal stage reaches supersonic velocity (Mach 2.9) when it is approximately 20 km (12 miles) from its target.

    The writer is a New Delhi-based journalist-author and a strategic affairs analyst.

    India to spend $3 billion for 3 more Talwar-class frigates | Russia & India Report
     
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    Why ----ing $3 billion for 3 frigates when we paid $1.6 billion last time?
    Moreover why not go for more Shivalik Class frigates?
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Sound like Corruption involvement..

    We successfully made Shivalik class and now we are not funding nor giving orders nor upgrading ship yards but trying to import more of these..
     
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    Which shipyard is free?
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Where Shivalik constructed before ?

     
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    All Indian yards have their plates full IIRC. Shivalik is followed by Project 17A. 7 ships I think.

    India also has its Kolkata class destroyers under Project 15A and to be followed up with 15B. Indian yards don't have any spare capacity.
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Let me, get into details >>

    Mazagon dock which is now stuck with Kolkata class vessels..
    Cochin Shipyard is currently building India’s first indigenuous Aircraft Carrier..
    Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers Limited is stuck with kamorta class corvette

    =========================>>

    1. None are upgraded..
    2. Problems are still unsolved no solution yet passed for stuck up projects, Ignored at best..
    3. No orders are issued as the shipyards do have ability to do simultaneously projects..

     
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    Project 15A, 15B, 17, 17A, IAC. We really have no spare capacity
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    If you kindly read the post you will find the answer lies in there..

     
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    P17A will be constructed in those yards.
     
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    GRSE is going to share the making of 15B. Many projects beset with delays is not a conspiracy to stall projects so that we can order from abroad. Delays are inevitable in India while we are looking to enforce monetary penalties on delays from Russia.

    I have been to MDL. Although a couple or so years ago, we didn't have spare docks to make ships.
     
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    Again @Yusuf bhai, If you read my post i have told this and its fact as you talking my words back at me..

    Conspiracy can be defined with great details but it is not related with this topic..

     
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    Seriously, $3 Billion for 3 frigates...???

    Problems with t-72s, cancelled SPIKE deal and now this. What is wrong with this day?
     
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    Which one will come first 3 more Talwar class from Russia with love or the INS Kolkata??? :dude::dude::dude:
     
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    Add FICV tender cancellation to the list as well :cry:

     
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    What about Pipinav in Gujarat and the L&T shipyard in Katupalli ,TN?? Both are new ones with automated supply chain setups etc....
    Morever L&T is renowned for efficieny. They are also fabricating the HULL for india higly top secret Nuclear subs. SO security can't be the issue...
    The Shivalik class can be easily be built by them if expertise is allowed for deputation from GOVT shipyeards initially.
    Why has the MOD not allowed hull fabrication and basic building of these class of vessels in Indian Private shipyard....the final configuration upgradation of sensitive systems can be done in GOVT shipyards if so required... Currently both these are standing ready hungry for orders....
     
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    Payeng Daku Mongol Singh

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    I would like to know that does the following mentioned Shipyard have expertise in making warship of such comparable class and size?
     
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    Pipavav is an option but thanks to govt indifference to any private sector manufacturing a complete platform, pipavav is stuck to making commercial ships. Ditto with LnT. We have discussed about these two yards many times.
     
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    Pipavav has recently tied up with a British company. Pipavav has good infrastructure in their yard.
     
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    We easily dis regard these excellent oppurtunities for private players to flourish by calling it govt apathy. There more than enough expertise to go around in INDIA> infact people are migrating to different countries due to lack of high skilled oppurtunities here, Even Jayalalitha batted for opening katupalli to Indian military commisions.
    What is the point of making a fuss over indiginization when such contracts are not given. So what if it might get delayed... so be it. Alteast its a learning process and home grown talent can shine and skillset will improve. In this case we will still be only be funding growth of careers in the shipping industry in russia and for all the trouble be accepting a delayed product most likely at the end of the day.
    SAD state of affairs in INDIA today. Expected better out of the NAVY atleast...The ARMY is gone case anyways...
     
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