India to reopen Lhasa consulate, China not game

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  1. LETHALFORCE

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    India wants to reopen Lhasa consulate, China not game - Hindustan Times


    India has sprung a surprise on China by seeking to re-open its consulate in Lhasa, Tibet that was closed after the 1962 war between the two countries. India’s demand came after a Chinese request to open a third consulate in Chennai. Beijing has consulates in Mumbai and Kolkata and embassy


    in Delhi.
    Although Nepal has a consulate in Lhasa, China of late has been more wary than ever about opening up Tibet because of a series of self-immolations, which Beijing claims were done at the behest of the Dalai Lama.

    China’s initial reaction wasn’t so encouraging and it preferred a consulate somewhere else. But official sources said New Delhi would like to push for Lhasa.

    India holds Tibet as an integral part of China. It maintains that the Dalai Lama is its “honoured guest” and follows a stated policy of not allowing Indian soil to be used for anti-China activities. China’s dislike for the Dalai Lama is well-known.

    Beijing is New Delhi's largest trade partner in goods. Officials say a consulate in Tibet would only help bilateral trade and pilgrimage, such as the Kailash Mansarovar yatra.

    The consulates that come under the Indian embassy in Beijing include Hong Kong, Guangzhou and Shanghai.

    Incidentally, Shivshankar Menon, India’s national security adviser and special envoy for India-China boundary talks, spent some of his childhood days in Tibet while his father was posted as India’s consul general in Lhasa in the 1950s.
     
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    If I'm not mistaken, there have been reports about GoI trying to open up a consulate in Lhasa since 2009.

    The original suggestion was when Pranab Mukherjee went to China in 2006 to open up a consular office in Lhasa in return for allowing China to open one in Kolkota. However, the Chinese then asked to open the office in Guangzhou instead.

    With the recent Tibetan protests happening since the Olympics onwards, it will be difficult to expect the paranoid Chinese to allow us to open up a consulate in Tibet.
     
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    china should insist on opening its consulate in Kashmir rather than in Chennai.
     
  5. LETHALFORCE

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    Sounds like a good idea maybe US and others should too and India will decide where; one
    can be in what is called POK after it's ok'd by India.
     
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    old article-

    India Can Open Consulate in Lhasa: Chinese Official - China Digital Times (CDT)

    India Can Open Consulate in Lhasa: Chinese Official
     
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    Congress authorized to establish a US Consulate General in Lhasa, Tibet

    USA also wants one


    Congress authorized to establish a US Consulate General in Lhasa, Tibet

    Taipei: The U.S. House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee passed a bill on 20 May 2009 which will authorize funding for foreign affairs.The bill also allows the U.S. Secretary of State to seek the establishment of a United States Consulate General in Lhasa, the Tibetan capital and vests in the United States Embassy in Beijing establishing the department responsible for Tibetan affairs.

    2002 amendments made to the Tibetan Policy that act empowers the U.S. Secretary of State to seek the establishment of the Consulate General in Lhasa in order to skyrocket Tibet's tourism industry, propagate political, economic and social development in the Tibet Autonomous Region, and provide services for American citizens.

    According to another report, the United States will also pay 17 million U.S. dollars to support the "Voice of America" and "Radio Free Asia," organizations which broadcast news in support of Tibet. Fiscal support pertaining to health, food, transportation will be awarded to Tibetans in exile. The aims is to strengthen the "commitment to Tibetan culture and environmental protection" by instigating the construction of non-governmental organizations and to promote dialogue between His Holiness the Dalai Lama and the Chinese government.

    According to Xinhua, 1 June 2009, "On 20 May, the U.S. House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee passed a bill authorizing the U.S. Secretary of State to seek the establishment of the United States Consulate General in Lhasa, and authorized in the United States Embassy in Beijing to set up the department responsible for Tibetan affairs. Some analysts believe that the new U.S. Embassy in Tibet Affairs, a strong interference with the political intentions in China's internal affairs."

    The establishment of a consulate will allow for greater access to Tibet. At present, only Nepal has a consulate in Lhasa, which was established before His Holiness the Dalai Lama fled to India in 1959.. India was the second nation to be allowed to set up consulate in Lhasa. However, following the Tibetan rebellion in 1959 and the Sino-Indian border war in 1962, the Indian consulate was destablished.

    An associate researcher at the China Tibetology Research Center, Yang Jun Choi, claimed that, since the 1950s when the CIA aided the Dalai Lama in his escape from Tibet, the United States Congress has supported a number of members of the 'Dalai clique', both overtly and covertly, thus intervening in Tibetan affairs. For the United States, the 'Tibetan issue' is a tool which influences its policy toward China, and the U.S. government needed Tibet to maintain a balanced relationship with the Chinese government.
     
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    It appears that India has still not understood China.

    As it is, China claims that His Holiness The Dalai Lama is causing all the problems in Tibet. If India opens a Consulate, then if India is perverse, under diplomatic immunity, can allow the Dalai Lama to have direct access to the Tibetans in Tibet and that won't be something that China would relish!

    But then India will never do that. Not because India is some icon of morality, it is just that India is too sensitive and worried about making China uncomfortable.
     
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    Its for the national govt elected by the free people of united states of jammu and kashmir to decide where they whish to allow other countries to open their embassies in the country.
     
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    It is upto India and only India. It is not like Baluchistan where independence will
    come soon?

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/338079/...esolution-calling-for-independence-of-baloch/

    US congressman tables bill for Baloch right to independence
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    That is an interesting observation.

    Free people of J&K?

    Indeed.

    Allow the POK to be free.

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    As followers of Maqbool Butt, we decided to fight back and expose the hypocrisy of Azad Kashmir and Pakistani governments. We thought it was imperative to inform people, rather, educate them that agenda of Azad Kashmir and Pakistani governments is not to liberate Kashmir. They are part of this vested interest which wants to use Kashmir dispute as a ‘business’, and demand of that business is to keep the pot boiling rather than solving it.

    It is unfortunate to note that even JKLF groups headed by Amanullah Khan and Yasin Malik also have some business men among them. This is not to suggest that they don’t have sincere people in their groups; but those who are calling the shots are involved in a business rather than a struggle for independence. Their aim is not liberation of Kashmir but to make money in the name of the struggle.

    During our tour of various Azad Kashmiri cities I also had an opportunity to interact with ordinary people and pleasantly found that people are pro Kashmir and they are looking for a change. They are fed up with the lies which are being fed to them for the past so many years and they are genuinely looking for sincere and able leadership.

    It was pleasing to note that people wanted to hear more about nationalist policies of the JKLF and were willing to cooperate with us, and join the JKLF. In my view the ground in Azad Kashmir and in Gilgit and Baltistan is really fertile for the nationalist politics, and we must not waste any more time and try to exploit the situation in the interest of the JKLF.

    I also realised that people are really against the upraising of the Mangla Dam and rightly feel that Pakistan is using Azad Kashmir and Gilgit and Baltistan as a Pakistani colony. People are not rising against the Mangla Dam upraising because of fear of reprisals. In Mangla Pakistan has a Core Head Quarters which means three divisions of Pakistan army with many secret agencies, and people know what will happen to them if they rise against Pakistani rule there. Their silence does not mean love for Pakistan. It is fear which is forcing them to remain quiet; else no one wants to be oppressed and uprooted from their homes, especially to irrigate jageers of Pakistan landlords and to provide energy to Pakistani industrialists.

    Dr Shabir Choudhry's blog: JKLF visit to ‘Pakistani occupied Kashmir’
     
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    Yes, Kashmir for Kashmiris. About time we booted the PLA soldiers, and their boot-lickers, the Pakistani soldiers, from PoK and GB, so that it finally became a part of a free, secular, and democratic Indian Union, to which J&K has voluntarily acceded?

    Don't let this dampen your excitement to continue your pro-Pakistan propaganda though. You have the floor now!
     
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    Baluchistan will be the next free country in Southeast Asia.
     
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    Another “friendly act” of Pakistan Government.


    Shabir Choudhry


    Successive Pakistani governments claim that they are the best friends of the Kashmiri people, and that Kashmir belongs to Pakistan. Majority of Pakistani and a large section of the Kashmiri community also believe this. Of course there are many who believe that Pakistan has her own agenda and welfare of the Kashmiri people is not on their agenda; or at least it is not on top of their agenda.

    There are many ways of looking at the relationship between the Pakistani governments and the Kashmiri people. It is not possible to analyse everything in this short article, but I would like to point the most recent act of “friendship” carried out by the government of Pakistan.

    Before we look at that I would like to re - fresh the memories of the readers about the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, to which Pakistan is a signatory. Article 19 of the Declaration reads:
    “Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.”

    In other words it is basic human right to hold opinions and ideas, and these opinions and ideas could be passed on to other people. Any government, which tries to stop any person from holding opinions and ideas, or stop him to pass these to other people, is in direct breach of Article 19 of Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It hurts more if this human rights violation is committed by a government which claims to be the best “friend” and “well wisher” of the people.

    Maqbool Butt Shaheed, often known as Shaheed E Kashmir, is the father of the Kashmiri independence struggle; and if Kashmir becomes independent he won’t be any less popular than Jinnah and Nehru. Every Kashmiri, irrespective of political ideologies, respect Maqbool Butt, because he has become a symbol of the Kashmiri nation.

    Not long ago a book named Shaur – E -Farda was published in Azad Kashmir, Pakistani controlled Kashmir. This book was compiled by Mohammed Saeed Asad, and consists of letters written by Maqbool Butt between 1960 and 1983. The Pakistan authorities have banned this book. The reason given for the ban is that in the book “an attempt is being made to promote nationalist feelings amongst Kashmiris of AK”

    This order was made on 21 August 1998 by Section Officer Fazal Hussain, and the order no is 2/10/98- Security.IIX. It is very clear from the notice that any literature which promotes nationalist feelings amongst Kashmiris is a sin in the eyes of the Pakistan Government. This ban will also apply to theose Kashmiris who want to speak about the rights of the Kashmiri people including the most important and fundamental right of self- determination. This explains the love and care the Pakistani bureaucrats have for the Kashmiri people and for their struggle for freedom. It is true Pakistani officials pay a lot of lip service to the cause of Kashmir and go from country to country to claim that they are the champions of the Kashmir cause. But at home, in the Pakistani occupied Kashmir and Azad Kashmir, they are not even prepared to let letters published of the most loved Kashmiri leader. What hypocrisy?

    The Government of Pakistan by banning this book has breached Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. This action must be condemned by all those who believe in the right of free speech and individuals right to hold opinions and promote those opinions without any interference.

    By doing the Government of Pakistan has given very clear message to Kashmiris – and that message is stop thinking yourself as Kashmiris or else you will be punished. It is also clear that the authorities had little care for the sentiments of the Kashmmiri people. Can the Kashmiri people still say that the Government of Pakistan is our friend and that they can represent us whenever there is a dialogue on Kashmir.
    Shabir Choudhry, London

    Dr Shabir Choudhry's blog: Another “friendly act” of Pakistan Government.
     
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    Those are from a real Kashmir of POK!

    One can open up a Pandora's Box to indicate what is the reality of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir!
     
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    I think it is a great idea. India should keep up the pressure on China to open a consulate in Lhasa. Nepal has one, why should not India.
     
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    No more Kashmir discussion here keep it on topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Indian diplomats have learnt how to RUB CHILLI on the Dragon's Backside

    First Vietnam ; SCS ; Myanmar and now this Lhasa proposal :pound:
     
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    Indian people decide where the consulate will open. If its in JK so be it, but the opinion of the other states will also be accounted for. If the people in JK say no, but others say yes and if others are in majority then it will happen. That's democracy.
     
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    The King of Kashmir joined India so in Indian opinion that is the end of the discussion.

    See we are not debating the topic. You are going off on a tangent.
     

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