India to outpace China by 2030: US intelligence report

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we may need it later on after we get an average income of 25000-30000 dollars,
Is that your price for the Slavery?

A cage is a cage whether it is made of gold or whatever.
 

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Thanks.

It clarifies the issue.

It means that no matter what, the Govt is serious in keeping population down so that the benefits that the State can provide is to a larger number than if there was a very large population and growing.

So, it would be wrong to assume that if you are an employee of a private concern, then you can have more than one child.

Farmers are also allowed to have more than one children as has been mentioned by one poster?

Now, if the farmers have more than one child, there will be no guarantee that they will work on the farmer when they grow up and get educated and go to find some non farming jobs.
Some other rules behind so called "one child policy":
1. Minority races like Tibetan, Manchurian, Urgur, Zhuang, Koreans... They no doubt can own 2 kids.

2. Families from rural area, if the 1st kid is male then no second kid; if the 1st kid is female, then you only have one more chance to XXX your wife without condom.
Even the 2nd is female, no more chance.

3. If the rule get broken in rural area, there will be money punishment, depends on your yearly income, and also the land size of ownership will be modified, and your land for farming will be reduced.

4. If both couples are from "one child family", you have right to have two kids.

5. If only one from a couple is from "one child family", the government implies that after 5 years, the policy will allow you to have two kids.

I am personally doing my own business, so i have plan to have 2nd baby from 5 yrs, when my son is 8 yrs old, i don't care about 8000 USD punishment, since comparing a new car, a new life is more important to me. 1/3 of my friends who are not working for government, but living on mid-class (like 30,0000USD income per yr) have plan to have 2nd baby. But no one wants the third one!
 
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Thanks once again.

The rules are very logical if the policy is to keep the population under control.

Good rules!
 

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West media's fetish on grouping China and india together is a typical dirty marketing trick:

When you want to promote somebody, no matter what a loser that guy is, trying group this guy with some super star together;

When you want to trash somebody, no matter how succesful the guy is, trying to group this guy with some sore loser you can find.

Thats basically why west media try to group China with India, and too bad, some indians really buy this hype.

Besides population, there is basically nothing in common between the two countries, Russia has about the same population as Nigeria, but nobody group the two together.
 

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My opinons is that China and India are not in the same league, thats why the average Chinese always laugh at the stupid idea like Chindia or whatever attemps that associate india with China, for the average Chinese, the only goal is to replace the US, and few, if any at all, takes india seriously or believe india is in anyway being equal weight as China.

Thats the cold fact, nothing personal, just learn to live with it.
 
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Communist countries are able to achieve faster growth because there is no opposition
to government plans in a democracy like India it takes decades just to build a dam (sarovar).
Because every idiot wants to express his opinion politicize things and delay it to the
point of stupidity another reason why the nuclear deal is delayed.
Soviet was a communist country ,but its economy colllapseed, N. Korea is also one,however, their economy plan seem not to work.....

so, the success of CHina obvioulsy doesn' lie in its communism.
 

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Yes this is true but in the long term democracy is the only way to sustain long term growth and development ala USA.
what is "long term" you referred to ? 50 years ,or 100 years?

India has been independent for over 65 years, is 65 years not enough "long term"?
 

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Thanks once again.

The rules are very logical if the policy is to keep the population under control.

Good rules!
you can never learn those logical rules,from west medias...because they just want to pour the idea that "one kid policy" is a sin...
 

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I haven't gone through the whole thread, but its a logical conclusion.

China's growth will level off. India's will level off much later than China's.

China can't hope to maintain 8-10% growth with a 10 trillion dollar economy.
 

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I haven't gone through the whole thread, but its a logical conclusion.

China's growth will level off. India's will level off much later than China's.

China can't hope to maintain 8-10% growth with a 10 trillion dollar economy.
you are wrong.

the truth is :

China can not maintian a 8-10% growth with a fully industrialized and urbanized economy .

However,even if China has a 10 trillion economy , it is still a long way for CHina to be a fully industrialized and urbanized economy.
 

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West media's fetish on grouping China and india together is a typical dirty marketing trick:

When you want to promote somebody, no matter what a loser that guy is, trying group this guy with some super star together;

When you want to trash somebody, no matter how succesful the guy is, trying to group this guy with some sore loser you can find.

Thats basically why west media try to group China with India, and too bad, some indians really buy this hype.

Besides population, there is basically nothing in common between the two countries, Russia has about the same population as Nigeria, but nobody group the two together.
Your ludicrous attempts at comparing India with a 'sore loser' are synonymous with the Chinese chicanery we have seen and are accustomed to.

Remember, not so long ago- at the start of this last decade infact- China was in the same position India is in.

In fact, despite China being in that same position India is in today not 10 years ago- it did not have nearly as highly developed tertiary telecommunications, pharma, financial or entertainment sectors as India has today.

Spend a little time on this forum; you may get to know some things that may surprise you. Including how India is dragging Vietnam out from under your feet, giving you heated competition for resources from Africa to Afghanistan and leading maritime ocean groups that patroll some of the vital shipping lanes through which you transship your goods.
 

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Your ludicrous attempts at comparing India with a 'sore loser' are synonymous with the Chinese chicanery we have seen and are accustomed to.

Remember, not so long ago- at the start of this last decade infact- China was in the same position India is in.

In fact, despite China being in that same position India is in today not 10 years ago- it did not have nearly as highly developed tertiary telecommunications, pharma, financial or entertainment sectors as India has today.

Spend a little time on this forum; you may get to know some things that may surprise you. Including how India is dragging Vietnam out from under your feet, giving you heated competition for resources from Africa to Afghanistan and leading maritime ocean groups that patroll some of the vital shipping lanes through which you transship your goods.
Well said. Silly little Chinese always forget the fact that India is far ahead now than China was 13 years back. 13 years is the difference between 1978 and 1991. No matter how much these silly little Chinese rant about their so-called "superiority", the rest of the world knows that the difference is just this 13 years (read, start of reforms). Hence the grouping.

Heck, there was no grouping in 2000 - the grouping started in 2005-2006. And now the grouping will increase day by day - by 2020 these silly little Chinese will learn to live with the grouping, they will see sense by then.
 

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what is "long term" you referred to ? 50 years ,or 100 years?

India has been independent for over 65 years, is 65 years not enough "long term"?
I've had enough of this "65 years" crap. :frusty:

it is not about 65 years of democracy - it is about 50+ years of Nehruvian socialism, and just 20 years of semi-reformed economy. That is the problem. The problem is not democracy, the problem is Nehruvian socialism. The sooner you fellows realize this, the better.
 

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My opinons is that China and India are not in the same league, thats why the average Chinese always laugh at the stupid idea like Chindia or whatever attemps that associate india with China, for the average Chinese, the only goal is to replace the US, and few, if any at all, takes india seriously or believe india is in anyway being equal weight as China.

Thats the cold fact, nothing personal, just learn to live with it.
You learn to live with the "cold fact" that you speak of comparing yourself with the US shamelessly, while being in such a pathetic state in comparison. The only difference between India and China is 13 years - the start of reforms. India today is in much better shape than China was in 1999, and that is something to speak of.

Your pig-headedness will vapourize in the next 6-7 years. You wait and watch.
 

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Well said. Silly little Chinese always forget the fact that India is far ahead now than China was 13 years back. 13 years is the difference between 1978 and 1991. No matter how much these silly little Chinese rant about their so-called "superiority", the rest of the world knows that the difference is just this 13 years (read, start of reforms). Hence the grouping.

Heck, there was no grouping in 2000 - the grouping started in 2005-2006. And now the grouping will increase day by day - by 2020 these silly little Chinese will learn to live with the grouping, they will see sense by then.
13 years ago, almost 100% of Chinese urban families had TV sets,refrigerator and washing machine.
13 years ago, Chinese literacy rate was 95% already
13 years ago, CHina produced/bought 3 times more steel household appliances,food and other industry/agriculture products than India today.

Obvioulsy you ignored such huge gap between what Chinese bought/produced in 2000 and India does in 2012!
 

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BTW, the inflate dollar value cheat many people here.....PLS remeber that 1000 USD in 2000 values much more than 1000 USD in 2012.

Chinese families in 2000 bought 2 times more household appliances and other products than Indian families do in 2013.

it is hard for indians here to insist that common indian families today lives a higher life quality than Chinese common families in 2000,while such a real gap exists.
 

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India to outpace China by 2030: US intelligence report
Provided we survive 2012 ! :sad: :sad:


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These reports are toilet papers. In late 1940s, western intelligence agencies thought that India will adopt theocracy & ethnically cleanse Muslims :taunt:
 

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13 years ago, almost 100% of Chinese urban families had TV sets,refrigerator and washing machine.
13 years ago, Chinese literacy rate was 95% already
13 years ago, CHina produced/bought 3 times more steel household appliances,food and other industry/agriculture products than India today.

Obvioulsy you ignored such huge gap between what Chinese bought/produced in 2000 and India does in 2012!
You are picking those statistics that suit your POV. On this very forum, I compiled statistics that suit my POV. I did that a significant time back, I will dig it out when I can - a little busy now. And India's HDI figures have never been good - literacy etc. Industries like pharma, tech, etc. are more mature in India - anyway I will provide the details later.
 

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13 years ago, almost 100% of Chinese urban families had TV sets,refrigerator and washing machine.
13 years ago, Chinese literacy rate was 95% already
13 years ago, CHina produced/bought 3 times more steel household appliances,food and other industry/agriculture products than India today.

Obvioulsy you ignored such huge gap between what Chinese bought/produced in 2000 and India does in 2012!
- How does a 95% literacy rate figure into your factory economy?
- With a literacy rate of ~82% today, India has managed to create a service economy that was several times larger than China's was 13 years ago; and is even comparable to China's today.
- 13 years ago, China's GDP was $1.19 trillion*.
- Today, India's TV penetration is close to 90%. The Television sector is slated to grow 14% this anum.

P.S. While the U.S. dollar has inflated, India's inflation has outpaced the U.S.'s.

*Correction: Make that, China's GDP was $1.19trillion about 11 years ago.
 
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