India To Have an Internet Kill Switch

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  1. swag5

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    We all know how evolved Indian government is when it comes to banning websites and as per a report by ET, the Indian government has armed itself with powers to ‘switch off’ or kill the internet during times of national emergencies, becoming one of the first few countries to assume such far reaching authority.
    “Even as the US and other western nations debate the judiciousness of giving the government’s complete control to shut down cyber traffic, India has moved a step ahead and incorporated a provision under the IT Act of 2008, giving the Central government, or any of itsofficers specially authorised by it, to block the internet if necessary.
    The shutdown can happen in the interest of sovereignty and integrity of India, its defense, security of its states, friendly relations with foreign states or for public order. Failure to comply will result in imprisonment of up to seven years.” Power in wrong hands? Who decides when to switch off the Internet? Is there a guarantee that government will not use this to block access to information?
    Freedom of speech anyone? What’s your opinion?
    http://m.pluggd.in/india-internet-kill-switch-297/?maneref=http://www.blogger.com/home?pli=1
     
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  3. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Why?

    Does it mean that India is afraid of its people?

    Or is it because it is fashionable to have such a switch?
     
  4. nrj

    nrj Stars and Ambassadors Stars and Ambassadors

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    India should be afraid of certain elements among its citizens which usually talk/act against integrity of India.

    Internet has grown too much powerful & distribution of false information can trigger many unwanted events.

    Although much precise solution is needed. Deriving it as Simply 'Kill Switch' is very superficial understanding.

    http://defenceforumindia.com/showthread.php?t=20122
     
  5. Tronic

    Tronic Stars and Ambassadors Stars and Ambassadors

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    Sir, that India is afraid of a large section of its people, there is no doubt about it. Internet blackout is a recent phenomena since internet itself among the masses is a recent phenomena. You could say that this move is just a successor to the media blackouts which India has enforced in the past.
     
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    what a shame really!

    last time there were the radia tapes, there happened a complete black out of the news in the main stream media and it was only because of internet users that the disgraced barkha's had to at last take the lid off and accept in parts of their wrong doings, something which other wise would have never happened had we depended on our vibrant democracy where we boast of a flourishing free media.

    but then such things are expected from a party which traces its past to the emergency days or better known as the black days of indian democracy of '75-'77.
     
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    I think that this is a disgrace, if true.
     
  8. nrj

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    It will not be any easy to implement the internet blackout. It is indeed difficult to completely block it.

    Situations like emergencies will call for such measures. And declaring emergency is not that easy either, that too in these globalized time. Indian judiciary system is sound.

    http://defenceforumindia.com/showthread.php?t=20122
     
  9. maomao

    maomao Veteran Hunter of Maleecha Senior Member

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    If true.....we are moving towards another murder of "freedom of speech" and autocratic take over by the corrupt shameless coterie and the dumb family who are shyt scared/afraid of netizens, moreover it's the netizens who have been "the tip of the sword" in 2G - Radia, Swiss bank, Common Wealth Mega Scam etc corrupt cases against the Con-gress party!

    India and its Bureaucratic quagmire is best suited for the corrupt, and any leakage of info to the public is like a reactor breakdown for the corrupt babus and netas!
     
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    Politicians of India should think more about putting kill switches on corruption & corrupt leaders. There is no wisdom in curtailing free speech. What is the difference between China and us democracy then?
     
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    The way Internet is playing active role is exposing all corruptions of governments this is something all politicians will agree to . There goes our freedom of expression and speech.
     
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    If tomorrow Kashmir or some other place has a separatist uprising ala Egypt, what will Government of India do? Just let it go? Obviously they will try to block the media, which includes the internet. Media blackouts are quite common in J&K already.

    Every government imposes limits to freedom of speech when 1) integrity or 2) constitution is threatened. Rest assured that USA will react the same way if some state decides to secede.

    There are very few exceptions, mainly in Europe. But they already have the EU so national boundaries have lesser meaning there.
     
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    I wish some one would invent a kill switch for these slimy politicos and babus. Bloody meddlesome evil repugnant bellwhiffing festering turds.
     
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    Having said that, in a well-administered, corruption-free, fair and just country, the government would never feel the need to use this law. So the mere fact that the government has to resort to such laws is an indication that either they have failed to govern fairly, or that they are unwilling to do so.
     
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    yes something should be there so that at cirtical time we can use that

    but it should be under controll of preisednt of india or army chief not govt of india

    what an great idea
     
  16. nrj

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    Stop cursing the politicians blindly. There is difference between India & China. What has been proposed needs refinement. Its a twin edged sword, if it can help you gain information, so it can help destructive elements in society to fail India. Co-operation & active participation in correcting things is required apart from constructive criticism.

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    Firstly India does not have any so called 'Kill Switch' system.

    What GOI has is project called CMS (Central Monitoring System) to assist in lawful interception of communications from landline, mobile and Internet.

    Now when we talk of 'lawful interception', there should be law setup in Indian judiciary for Lawful Interception. But there is no such law adopted in India yet.

    So what brings embarrasement is that, GOI has tested 'Lawful Interception' time to time without such law in existance. That makes it legal activity without accepted law to approve it as legal. :yuck:

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    The present Cyber Law of India is incorporated in the Information Technology Act, 2000 as amended by the Information Technology Amendment Act 2008. This law has provisions regarding Internet Censorship and Website Blocking but without any “Procedural Safeguards and Guidelines”.

    This is exactly where 'Fundamental speech rights' of Indians are in danger. Unless Safeguards are in place, the current Cyber law is unconstitutional.

    Goverment is making its job easier & quicker by ignoring the need to formulate legal safeguards. But in doing so via its CMS, its also suppressing civil liberties.

    The most prior task for Indians worried about internet blackout should be to make strong demand to implement the missing law guiding the lawful interception of electronic mediums of communications. These much required legal safeguards will ensure that privacy & civil liberties are not compromised while protecting the integrity of India.
     
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    If this techno really exists in india.....it should not handed over to our 10th pass babus...as somebody said above it shld be high profile cyber cell officials or indian army...
    it is not that is implemented every time one raises his voice..if the situation really needs it then we should accept.
    Still this type of laws is not bought...in that time of mumbai terror attack...All were seen live in every news channels..Moreover today's media works o'ly for Trp's..it has nothing to do with india's integrity and internal security..
     
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    Now the Chinese members will have a hearty laugh at us. Good job, GoI.
     
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    Talking about freedom, let me expose you to another radioactive news. GOI has lately been busy twisting the citizenry's fundamental rights by its own reasoning that every sane mind fails to understand.
    They're amending the Arms Act 1959 to include many draconian conditions such as "You'd have to prove serious threat to life to be eligible for a firearm license".
    Now, reason why this is a mockery to entire society is - that RKBA ties as a practical implementory arm to the fundamental right of self defense. And our government expects us to prove a threat to life/property to be able to hold the very means of self protection.
    Even astrologers could not predict it perfectly and moreover why should the point of proving arise at all?
    Who gives them the right to disarm the citizenry? Already an almost disarmed citizenry fell 163 fellow men and women to 5 terrorists on 26/11 only because they were armed. Had even 5 of the 163 been armed with licensed weapons, I don't need to tell how many lives would be saved.
    A basic understanding of crime psychology would tell you that criminal would never dare go for it, if there's even a possibility that his potential victim would be armed. Forget about the citizen needing to use them actually, mere possession has such an influence. Biggest reason they dare to bounce on us is that the power equation is tilted to them - they overpower us in skill/strategy/number/muscle. The only way innocent citizenry had out of it was to have a legal fire arm for self defense. Now what is left to use for protection?

    Pardon me for going OT but I thought it was important to share it here. I even want to ask mods to add a "Civilian arms, self defense & RKBA" section in the forum. Its an important part missing here.
    More info at - www.indiansforguns.com

    Regards,
    Virendra
     
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  20. Flint

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    ^This is BS. Arms should not be made available to the general public easily. Your local police is supposed to protect you.
     
  21. Phenom

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    To quote Benjamin Franklin,

    Any society that would give up a little liberty for little security will deserve neither and loose both.
     

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