India to back Palestinian bid for U.N. membership

[pack leader]

So Palestinian should never become an independent state? What is the Israeli demands and Palestine demands as far as land is concerned?

three times we offered a state to the Palestinians(1995,2000,2008) letting them keep 100% off Gaza and 90% off west bank
in all 3 negotiations they backed out
3 main problems
1) we will not give up on east Jerusalem the most holly place in the world
2) we wont except the hairs of Palestinian refugees into Israel proper
3) they wont recognize Israel's right to be a Jewish state

we have all the time in the world they can meet us when they come around

 

[Godless-Kafir]

three times we offered a state to the Palestinians(1995,2000,2008) letting them keep 100% off Gaza and 90% off west bank
in all 3 negotiations they backed out
3 main problems
1) we will not give up on east Jerusalem the most holly place in the world
2) we wont except the hairs of Palestinian refugees into Israel proper
3) they wont recognize Israel's right to be a Jewish state

we have all the time in the world they can meet us when they come around

So Israel wants the whole of Jerusalem?
Wha do you means by hairs of refuges in Palestine?

 

[The Messiah]

three times we offered a state to the Palestinians(1995,2000,2008)

And deluded Indians are saying to vote against it.

Even israelis want a two state solution ffs. There is discontent in that regarding only due to who gets what.

 

[KS]

@ PACK LEADER,

Why dont you try the Chandigarh model for Jerusalem...?

The rest two I agree.

 

[pmaitra]

Why do we have to give an opinion so fast?? Especially when OIC and other organizations could not care less. We need to keep quiet or abstain. OIC has never helped any of their fellow muslims by opening immigration just caused unnecessary strife for places they are minorities in.How much money did OIC give to Pakistan during the earthquake or recent floods?? Now with Turkey becoming more fundementalist and Greeks bankrupt expect Cyprus issue to also pick up steam.

Excellent point. Then there is oil in the region near Cyprus. More conflicts on the way!

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Two state solutions sounds like a good idea but people have to remember there is division among Palestinian "leaders" some may accept the Israeli plans and other extremistist in Hamas want an all or none deal. There has to be first a recognized leadership and consensus among Palestinians and this has never happened upto now.

 

[Virendra]

India always supported Iranians to but that changed when Bush was in office India voted against Iran. This governement is clueless and can flip flop at any given time. Better to have expressed no opinions then look like an idiot where your opinion does not mean squat.

Sorry about the OT but GOI has been taking steps to balance the situation. First is that they've got the oil payment issue with Iran resolved and second they've used their diplomatic weight (specially the August month's rotating presidency of UNSC) to try rationalize the UNSC's approach towards the Syrian issue. It was important to not look like a puppet of Euro-American pressure and have a say keeping in mind a) Soci-Politics of MENA b) Iranian aspirations where the Iranian government has strong ties with the Assad regime ( interestingly Assad is a Shia).
Please remove/redirect if its unbearably OT

Regards,
Virendra

 

[pack leader]

@ g.k
a short history lesson in 1948 before the British left there were 650000 Jews and 1000000 Arabs in British Israel
the Palestinian leader haj amin all hussny (the mufti off Jerusalem and a Nazi sympathizer )
ordered the Arab civilians to evacuate to prevent friendly fire wail the Arab army's push the Jews to the sea
80% off the Arabs ran and the war didn't go exactly as planed those who remained became citizens off Israel
(the druze and some Christians collaborated with Israel )
those who fled established refuge camps in Syria Lebanon and Jordon
in the aftermath off the war for independence all Jewish community in Arab lands were saked and 1000000 Jewish refugees got into Israel
those who fled have no intention to live under Jewish law let the proposed Palestinian state welcome them

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Sorry about the OT but GOI has been taking steps to balance the situation. First is that they've got the oil payment issue with Iran resolved and second they've used their diplomatic weight (specially the August month's rotating presidency of UNSC) to try rationalize the UNSC's approach towards the Syrian issue. It was important to not look like a puppet of Euro-American pressure and have a say keeping in mind a) Soci-Politics of MENA b) Iranian aspirations where the Iranian government has strong ties with the Assad regime ( interestingly Assad is a Shia).
Please remove/redirect if its unbearably OT

Regards,
Virendra

It's nice that we resolved this while Iran has increased relations and aid with Pakistan and asked for a resolution of the Kashmir issue to show their appreciation.

 

[pack leader]

@ k what is the Chandigarh model ???

 

[The Messiah]

@ g.k
a short history lesson in 1948 before the British left there were 650000 Jews and 1000000 Arabs in British Israel
the Palestinian leader haj amin all hussny (the mufti off Jerusalem and a Nazi sympathizer )
ordered the Arab civilians to evacuate to prevent friendly fire wail the Arab army's push the Jews to the sea
80% off the Arabs ran and the war didn't go exactly as planed those who remained became citizens off Israel
(the druze and some Christians collaborated with Israel )
those who fled established refuge camps in Syria Lebanon and Jordon
in the aftermath off the war for independence all Jewish community in Arab lands were saked and 1000000 Jewish refugees got into Israel
those who fled have no intention to live under Jewish law let the proposed Palestinian state welcome them

that it is.

The devil is in the details and more so in the israeli-palestine situation.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

@ g.k
a short history lesson in 1948 before the British left there were 650000 Jews and 1000000 Arabs in British Israel
the Palestinian leader haj amin all hussny (the mufti off Jerusalem and a Nazi sympathizer )
ordered the Arab civilians to evacuate to prevent friendly fire wail the Arab army's push the Jews to the sea
80% off the Arabs ran and the war didn't go exactly as planed those who remained became citizens off Israel
(the druze and some Christians collaborated with Israel )
those who fled established refuge camps in Syria Lebanon and Jordon
in the aftermath off the war for independence all Jewish community in Arab lands were saked and 1000000 Jewish refugees got into Israel
those who fled have no intention to live under Jewish law let the proposed Palestinian state welcome them

I know some of the history but what is the territorial claim of each side? How much territory do you need to give to the Muslim Palestinians for them to agree?

 

[KS]

@ k what is the Chandigarh model ???

The city of Chandigarh is the capital of both Punjab and Haryana in India...maybe you guys can share Jerusalem too not by erecting borders but by making it a special administrative zone governed jointly by Israel and Palestine.

No restrictions for travel for either Palestinians or Israelis inside the city...but the usual visa formalities and restrictions when you venture out of Jerusalem into either Israel or Palestine proper.

Maybe a Punjabi or haryanvi can exactly explain how it functions as I am not too sure about the intricacies.

 

[Galaxy]

India should have not backed Palestine. May be GoI is doing this due to diplomacy towards Middle-east. But at the end, Israel matters. They are our friend and the friendship is mutual. I will always prefer Israel vis-a-vis Palestine on any day !!

 

[The Messiah]

India should have not backed Palestine. May be GoI is doing this due to diplomacy towards Middle-east. But at the end, Israel matters. They are our friend and the friendship is mutual. I will always prefer Israel vis-a-vis Palestine on any day !!

There is no thing as friend in geo politics.

This is not us vs them...it is all about interests.

 

[JayATL]

India has always supported the Palestinian cause and it would make little sense to change track now.

One of the reason why India managed to have a relatively smooth relation with the Arabs is because of its stand on Palestine. Last year even Saudi Arabia was trying to cozy up with India. About the OIC and Kashmir, the Arab league has always paid lip service to Kashmir and nothing more, and even that they most likely did just to pacify Pakistan.

With the Arab spring, we are most likely to see a real Palestinian state sooner or later, we would be better off to stay on the winning side rather than supporting a loosing cause.

Lets try to follow your logic. First you advise India to continue supporting Palestinian state hood because it has in the past. then you finish off your post by saying Arab spring would equate to a Palestinian statehood coming forth soon( how those two equate to each other is mind boggling)

...and then you somehow think the winning side for India is Palestinian cause over Israel? based on what... the US and EU traditionally support Israel over Palestinian cause for decades-- how did that hurt them with KSA or the middle east much economically or even security wise and dare say what security or any additional economic benefit ( comparatively)benefit did India get from the support?

how do you figure Israel which helped India during kargil and helping India with all the military tech and joint ventures is a losing cause over the Palestinian support?

 

[chex3009]

In plane simple words, whatever India does, it just can't afford to lose Israel be it as a "friend" or as a partner. With the current situation prevailing and Turkish PM attracting huge crowds in Egypt when he visited it recently, Israel must not be lost at any cost, if Israel falls, the global ummah's attention would definitely turn towards Kashmir, and we would not like that.

 

[KS]

There is no thing as friend in geo politics.

This is not us vs them...it is all about interests.

Exactly...right now "interests" dictate that you support Israel over Palestine.

 

[ejazr]

OIC calls for prompt resolution of Kashmir dispute

As I mentioned earlier, OIC does not count because it is a multilateral institution and any changes in its agenda has to be done by consensus. What that means is that to remove Kashmir as a topic of discussion from the agenda - ALL 50+ members have to agree to it and of course Pakistan will not. Hence the move is defeated.

That is why I insisted on sovereign countries position on the Kashmir issue. Every single one of them support the bilateral tract. Even multilateral organizations like Arab League that DOES NOT have Pakistan in it support the bilateral view as well.

Even Turkey which is the currently heading the OIC reiterated its position on the Kashmir issue and there was no mention of UN resolutions. And this has been consistent since 2003 under the Vajpayee-Erdogan meet.

And OIC is not the only organization that makes rhetorical statements time and again. The UK parliament recently had a session on HR issue in Kashmir. The EU parliament has a subcommittee that regularly writes and reports on the Kashmir issue. But what matters is not what these multilateral groups like EU or even individual politicians in UK say, but what the goverments' position is.

And across the Arab world the position is quite clearly favoring the bilateral dispute resolution.

 

[pmaitra]

^^ Yes, that is why they are unanimous. They have chosen to do what they did. I was referring to the Arab World in general. This is one example. Other than that, you should also consider funding provided by Arab countries to Pakistan.