India to back Palestinian bid for U.N. membership

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what should India have done in the UN Palestinian bid for membership

  1. Support the bid for membership

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  1. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    The Hindu : News / National : India to back Palestinian bid for U.N. membership


    India was among the first countries to recognise Palestine when it was proclaimed in November 1988: Ranjan Mathai
    India will support a Palestinian bid for membership of the United Nations at a meeting of the General Assembly scheduled for later this month, Foreign Secretary Ranjan Mathai said on Friday.

    The announcement came hours after Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas went on television to announce that his administration was “going to the United Nations to request our legitimate right, obtaining full membership for Palestine in this organisation.” Future negotiations with Israel, Mr. Abbas said, “no matter how difficult, will be between one state and another.”

    Mr. Mathai told journalists that India “will support the resolution on Palestine seeking membership of the United Nations” and that India was among the first countries to accord the state of Palestine diplomatic recognition when it was proclaimed in November 1988.

    Frustrated at a two-year deadlock with Israeli negotiators, the Palestinian Authority hopes its application for the U.N. membership would strengthen its demand that Israel cede territories it occupied during the 1967 war. These territories include East Jerusalem, which Israel now claims as part of its capital, and has been a key stumbling block in the negotiations.

    The Palestinian application will need the backing of the Security Council and a two-thirds majority in the General Assembly — but is almost certain to be blocked by the U.S.

    The U.S. Senate, in a resolution passed in June, has called on President Barack Obama to veto the Palestinian bid. Susan Rice, U.S. ambassador to the U.N., said this summer that the U.S. could also withdraw funding for the international body — estimated at $500 million a year — if the vote went through. “I cannot frankly think of a greater threat to our ability to maintain financial and political support for the United Nations in Congress than such an outcome.”

    European Union diplomats had been seeking to avert a potential showdown at the U.N., attempting to mediate a deal that would have kick-started Israeli-Palestinian talks. The EU had also suggested that the Palestinians seek to be recognised as an “entity” rather than a full-blown state.

    Though the Palestinian issue is likely to be at the centre of diplomatic attention at the U.N., India will also seek to underline its concerns on a welter of other issues.

    Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, who will travel to New York later this month, is scheduled to address the General Assembly on September 24. He will also meet several world leaders — though at least one of those he might have spoken to, Pakistani Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani, has cancelled his planned visit because of the severe floods in his country.

    Mr. Mathai said the Prime Minister's address would focus on the challenge of the rising food and fuel prices, global counter-terrorism cooperation, reforms to the U.N. Security Council, and the need to resolve the ongoing conflicts in the Middle East “through negotiation and diplomacy rather than the use of force.”

    Keywords: U.N. Genaral Assembly, Palestine UN membership, 66th session, Manmohan address, Security Council reform, G4 meeting, BRICS, India international relations
     
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  3. KS

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    It should be done after extensive consultation with Israel and not in a unilateral move.
     
  4. The Messiah

    The Messiah Bow Before Me! Elite Member

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    Majority of countries are backing. Besides it is nothing more than symbolic gesture...its not like ground realities will change.
     
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    Well we have already recognised Palestine back in 1988, so this is not a change in policy. Israel already knows this I'm sure. The main focus will be on mainly European countries that have not recognized Palestine mainly Germany, France, UK e.t.c.

    Here is a map of countries who have recognised Palestine in green
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    While the US will most likely veto the bid in the UNSC, it should see a two thirds majority comfortably in the General Assembly to become a non-state member like the vatican which most European countries like the UK seem to be supportive of. UK risks rift with US by backing Palestinian state | Mail Online

    Ofcourse now that Palestine has gone ahead with its bid, it will also loose most of the aid that US was providing about $500million anually. However, it is an important(and one of the remaining few) source of leverage for the US vis a vis the Palestinians. Something that even Israel realises I believe. (Israel calls for continuing aid for Palestinians | Reuters)
     
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    india should not back this idotic noation the only state that was there was herzta israle and nothing eles and nothing more
     
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    Majority of the countries dont need Israeli military hardware/technology on the scale we need.. So while supporting the Palestinian cause is good on an ideal plane that enthusiasm has to be tempered with pragmatism which says Israel is a crucial ally to India and a dependable friend.

    So we should hold a meeting with Israel and let them know about our decision and hear out their concerns before embarking upon it.
     
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    What ? Why should we ask Israel anything ? Nobody is above India that we will ask permission or report to other countries.

    As i said this is symbolic gesture and our stance on palestine hasn't changes since our independence and israel knows that.
     
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    Did I say we have to ask them permission ? Consulting your ally and a crucial one at that and hearing out their concerns on a issue concerning them is not akin to asking their permission.
     
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    ^^Israel is not India's ally. We just have a business relationship with them.

    Besides, Israel needs India far more than the other way around. India is the only country in the region that is not implacably hostile to Israel.
     
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    I said Ally not friend.

    And why would Israel need India when it has the sole hyperpower in the world , US, backing it at every turn ?

    Who would provide those hi-tech JVs, Military avionics,customizations as reliably as Israel ?

    I am just saying we should factor in their concerns as well not just blindly listen to their dictations.
     
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    ^^The sole hyperpower in the world just barely avoided bankruptcy recently. In another 20 years, the hyperpower won't be so hyper anymore, and it will be India and China who will lead the world economy. I hope you're getting the drift. US may be Israel's ally, but in the face of changing great power equations, Israel won't be able to rely on the unqualified support of the US in the future.

    As for reliability, the Europeans are just as if not more so then the Israelis.
     
  13. KS

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    US will continue to be a factor no matter what we think.Their economy has this stupid habit of picking itself up when it appears in the dumps.

    Look I am just saying just factor in the Israeli concerns also in the decision making process. Surely the Palestinians are not one bit important to India as Israel, whatever you people think.
     
  14. The Messiah

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    Bloody hell usa only has been superpower for couple of decades. after ww2 till 90's it had ussr and before ww2 it was not superpower.

    Your comment sounds as if they've been supreme for countless centuries.
     
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    Not true.

    From Mid 40's till 90's - There were 2 Super powers [ USA and Russia ]
    After 90's - Only 1 Super power [ USA ]

    Also, US didn't failed in great depression in 1929 after 5-6 more recession/economical melt down till 2008-2011. US will recover, may be slowly and gradually. But US had proved 5-6 times in last 90 years, even worst than this. If it made sense, Then it makes sense :)
     
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    I meant sole superpower...and that only a couple of decades.

    I have more trust in India while you have more trust on usa.
     
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    So what ? Sole or not they are still the superpower and they will continue in our lifetime. But the topic is not that.

    The topic is the blind support to Palestine which has nothing to offer to India against an ally who watched or back during the most crucial time and still are one of the most important source of military technology.

    I honestly dont think the Katyusha technology is better than Baraks or SPYDERs.
     
  18. asianobserve

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    It seems some fellows here can't detach their emotions when talking about strategic interests. Just look at their avatar...
     
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    And what about those that do not have an avatar? LOL!

    There are valid points on both the sides. Keep this avatar logic out of this.
     
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    BTW, I like your avatar. Anyhow, there is no point at supporting Palestinian statehood at the UN at this time since the Palestinians themselves cannot even present a unified government. More importantly, there is no guarantee at the moment that the new Palestinian state will not immediately embrace either Iran or the new Islamist power Turkey, further destabilizing the region.
     
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    Thanks for liking my avatar. I guess it could be reasonable to judge others based on their avatars, because they chose that with certain things in mind. At the same time, it could be borderline ad hominem.

    Back to topic:
    I think India needs to extricate itself from being too friendly with Palestine. Yes, give them humanitarian aid when they are suffering. However, I am ambivalent on this UN support thing, Israel or no Israel. Said that, we should not upset the Israelis too much. No, they are not our allies, but they benefit us more than Palestine does. It should not be seen as sucking up to Israel, rather, being sensitive to a country from which India benefits. It is about India's own selfish interests.

    India should also send out the message that the lack of support from the Arab World in the Kashmir conflict, especially when India needed it much, will be met with a reciprocal cold shoulder. We do not need anyone's support for the Kashmir conflict any more. We can let go of 'friends' that have only taken aid from us and posed for pretty photo-shoots but have shied away from supporting us in the times of need.

    We need to re-calibrate our foreign policy. Again, I am not advocating opposing this particular UN membership, but India should rest assured, regardless of how pleasant it acts to the Palestinians, that there will be muted or no support from the Arab World for a veto-wielding permanent membership for India in UNSC. Mark my words!
     
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