India to Assemble Russian Helicopters

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  1. sasi

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    India to Assemble Russian Helicopters
    Moscow, Dec 27 (IANS/RIA Novosti): Russian Helicopters holding and India's Elcom Systems Pvt. Ltd. have signed an agreement to set up a joint venture to assemble Russian Mil and Kamov helicopters in India, the Russian holding said.
    The agreement was signed during Russian President Vladimir Putin's recent visit to India, press secretary Roman Kirillov said.
    He offered no timeframe for the joint venture, only saying the first helicopter it will start manufacturing will be the Ka-226T multirole helicopter.
    Under a deal signed during Putin's visit to New Delhi, Russia will supply India with combat helicopters and warplanes worth $2.9 billion.
    India will buy 42 Sukhoi Su-30 fighter jets and 71 MI-17 helicopters.
    The two countries also signed a number of cooperation agreements in the defence and technology sectors during Putin's one-day visit, his first to southeast Asia since his return to the Kremlin in May.
    India is now the world's largest arms importer and Russian-made military equipment makes up some 70percent of India's arms purchases. But Moscow has lost out on a number of deals to Western countries in recent years. Boeing was chosen last month by India over Russia's Mil plant for a major helicopter contract.
     
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    Manufacturing of the MI-17 would be more interesting.
     
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    So, seems that we have the winner for the light helo tender
     
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    when will production will start
     
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    There are two aspects to this:- 1) the facility will serve to implement offset clauses for various tenders in which Russian rotorcraft are involved; and 2) the facility is intended to integrate industrial, technical and logistical capability for the long term production of both Ka- and Mi- series helicopters. The first of course has its usual benefits. But the second is interesting as well: it means we might likely see less of a diversifying away from Russian rotorcraft in the Indian aerospace market. The final assembly at this facility- which will also be equipped for ground and flight testing- means that costs will be relatively lower for Oboronprom's products- and if they decided to export to other countries in future from this hub (which I'm pretty sure they will)- will envisage better competitiveness "in light of the growing demand for Russian helicopter models" (Dmitry Petrov, CEO Russian Helicopters) given cost-effective Chinese copies. To give you an idea of this demand, deliveries reached 262 units in 2011 alone. This is a win-win situation for the Russians as well- not just for us. Apart from this, the holding company, UIC Oboronprom and Elcom also agreed to create a joint Helicopter academy in India for the training of flight and technical personnel. That will save us some bucks as well.
     
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    It is with private co.,like the tata jv. It is nothing, but import kits and assemble it and sell it.
     
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    Good news. With the number of Mil-17 helos we use, those should have been assembled here long time back.

    BTW, are we still going to depend in Russia for Ti?
     
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    This is how they sugar coat poison to kill Indian Industry. Now that India has decided to produce full range of helicopters with an medium lift helo also in pipeline like Mi-17, The russians have made this offer so that we never develop anything of our own which will kill the market for their junk in India and also create a competitor in the international market.
    Thats how they killed Marut, Delayed LCA and managed to force a JV on us for PAK-FA by saturating HAL with the production of SU-30MKI to kill AMCA.
     
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    there are always two sides for a coin, it is left to us to choose what is important for us...


    for India's Elcom Systems Pvt. Ltd. , its a most important step..

    lets take postive of both sides..
     
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    Hal proposed a 10-14tn helicopter 2yrs ago and asked the Mod
    wheather they should go solo or jv route to speed up the work.
    It seems file is stuck with Mod!
     
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    Pls check HAL site again. They have a 30-35 seater project as well.
     
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    I would agree with you if this were the Arjun vs. T-90 thread, but when it comes to helicopters, you have to provide more convincing reasons.

    Projects in pipeline do not count. We have plenty of things in the pipeline. We have a moon mission with a moon-buggy in the pipeline. We also have a manned space mission in the pipeline. We have the Avatar in pipeline. When will these projects come out of the pipe and see the light of the day?

    It is a great news that a private company will be tying up with Mil/Kamov/RosVertol, and give HAL a run for their money. I support this because it will generate jobs in India and help Indian engineers learn.

    Just a small anecdote: The Bhilai Steel Plant produces steel used by ISRO and BDL. It was setup with assistance from the USSR. I'm sure we wouldn't call that poison, would we?
     
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    Give the link. If they have 30-35 seater plan,i think not worth it,just shelve it.
     
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    We need hal like another company to take care of home grown aircrafts
     
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    Does this means if KA-226T wins 197 helicopter utility copter bid HAL will not assemble these choppers? if it true then this the stepping stone for private company into Indian aerospace & defence on a larger note & end of pethatic monopoly of HAL :taunt:
     
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    If that happens it is called a 'scam'. If public money is spend for procuring 197 heli. Then some private co. Is using it to raise their profit. Also they only assemble parts and sell it. Allowing Pvt will not do magic for us. Clear rules should be drafted. Some are miss using it, In the name of TOT. Import parts ,assemble it and sell it. How many pvt do home r/d to use the acquired knowledge and innovate more. Only few are doing it.
     
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    Yes ur right . but what is HAL doing can u tell it is free from scam & cost overrun can they eat up tax payers money? , why will private company do R&D when they are not sure they will not get the license & contract

    TATA 155mm howitzer they have done on their fund no govt contribution , will Army buy or our babus let it buy? they need BOFORS

    Auroro integration produces UAV , atleast they fit the bill for ANTI naxal opeartation . But DRDO holds monopoly eve their

    My point is to encourage privatization in defence sector & putting end to Public company monopoly

    COMPITATION BRINGS BEST OUT OF U :thumb: May be compitation will bring best of our public company
     
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    With limited fund they doing their best in last 5yrs. Give sometime. What is required is good management plus rope in the armed force from design phase itself(not merely a visitor). It requires mod intervention.
    Point taken.
    Gun is foreign origin. Electronics theirs(some imports) truck theirs.
    That's what is i am saying. Not all pvt co do r/d work. Army or babus-even our psus cannot force them to buy their products.
    Encouraging pvt is good. I say plug holes in law first. In the name of TOT, they shouldn't paste the products and sell it for quick buck like BEML. We spending billions of $. If we regulate the law, to how much hardware should made in India in each deal. It will make both PSUs and PVT more better.
     
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    Sorry but you are being sensationalist.

    GoI should have paid for the development of the British engines for Marut, instead of backing out.

    LCAs technical problems have nothing to do with any country, save for our own. You don't place fuel tanks in wrong places, make the undercarriage unnecessarily heavy and then say the Russians are to blame.

    HAL is not saturated by the production of MKI. In fact HAL has initiated plans to increase production by many times on multiple projects by the end of the decade.

    AMCA has nothing to do with MKI or PAKFA. Rather both aircraft can complement the AMCA.

    Their willingness to transfer assembly of helicopters in India is in fact a great boon to HAL. HAL has no experience in medium and heavy lift helicopters. This is a really good start. We are still a decade away from inducting any new medium helicopter we build. So, the experience with the Mi and Ka assembly lines will directly help HAL in their future medium helicopter development.

    Nothing beats experience.
     

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