India successfully test-fires supersonic interceptor missile

[LETHALFORCE]

Was the destroyed vehicle a drone.

It was suppose to be Prithvi missile?

http://www.financialexpress.com/art...-own-ballistic-missile-defence-system/255831/

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[Screambowl]

It was suppose to be Prithvi missile?

http://www.financialexpress.com/art...-own-ballistic-missile-defence-system/255831/

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there was no infra signature of RV of Prithvi in the video ..

 

[LETHALFORCE]

This may not be the official video? Why would government release it? This is not a movie release billions of dollars,many years and countless hours in manpower went into making this a success.


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[Screambowl]

This may not be the official video? Why would government release it?


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it is possible that they have tested against the cruise missile. If you take a screen schot of the video of the target there is infra signature but as of a cruise missile not a BM. So if it is official one or even not. They might have succeeded engaging the CM but at perticular height not earth skimming ones.

something is not told correctly.. intentionally.

 

[ezsasa]

there was no infra signature of RV of Prithvi in the video ..

Only the cone of a missile has warhead.
Can it be possible that the hit is after cone of the missile has been released from the thrusters?

Others can confirm.

 

[sukhish]

video of the test


looks great

this video is from year 2012 and not the current one.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

it is possible that they have tested against the cruise missile. If you take a screen schot of the video of the target there is infra signature but as of a cruise missile not a BM. So if it is official one or even not. They might have succeeded engaging the CM but at perticular height not earth skimming ones.

something is not told correctly.. intentionally.

India has a long history of giving vague information regarding missiles or missile tests. It is intentional as it is in the national interests

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[Screambowl]

Only the cone of a missile has warhead.
Can it be possible that the hit is after cone of the missile has been released from the thrusters?

Others can confirm.

it happened at low altitude. Endo atmospheric collision.

Only pirthvi 3 is two staged hence only this one releases the warhead. And this wahead does not travel at 6-7 km/s

It is only agni whose warhead is released at greater heights and enters the atmosphere at 5-6km/s.

So they should test the weapon against agni not pirthvi.

 

[sayareakd]

Was the destroyed vehicle a drone.

Modified version of this missile called Dhanush.

 

[sayareakd]

this is how it works

As per simulator.

 

[sayareakd]

Was the destroyed vehicle a drone.

here PDV test video using same target missile

 

[sayareakd]

there was no infra signature of RV of Prithvi in the video ..

Dhanush is single stage missile that means entire missile will go up and come down. So it has big RCS.

Problem is that we dont have big land area to test this missile defence, unless we put interceptor and radar on the ship or target missile on ship, as we dont have Agni 1 launch system from ship, we are not testing A1. Other option is to use floating test range, which has either the target missile or interceptor on it. DRDO is now making floating test range. Hope they make it fast and test it against actual RV.


here is the info on floating range

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...for-missile-defence-system/article7622922.ece

Work begins

The construction of the range, which has just started, might take at least three to four years for the ship to be ready to conduct the first trial, sources said.

“It will pave the way for conducting trials for different trajectories, varying altitudes and also for higher ranges. We can go up to 1,000-1,500 km without any problem. Currently, we have to conduct simulation tests for longer ranges. Once, this FTR is ready we will be able to carry out live tests,” the sources said.


another site

http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2015/11/ind-take-india-building-its-own-massive.html

India is building a unique floating testing range — essentially a huge ship — to overcome the limitations imposed by the land mass for carrying out missile tests of varying ranges for the two-tier ballistic missile defence (BMD) or Advanced Air Defence System to protect important Indian cities.
The system seeks to engage and destroy incoming enemy missiles at different altitudes in the endo and exo-atmospheres regimes. The first phase of the program envisages development of interceptors to annihilate incoming missiles with a range of 2,000 km, while the second phase aims to build such weapons to destroy missiles with a longer range.

India's Advanced Air Defence System will waylay Ballistic Missiles and Destroy it in Mid-Air
India has so far conducted 10 interceptor missile tests, eight of them successful. Most of the trials were conducted in the endo-atmosphere, and a few in the exo-atmosphere. The first phase of the system is expected to be deployed after some more interceptor trials in deployable configuration. Official sources told The Hindu that currently the missile testing range on Wheeler Island posed certain limitations as people needed to be evacuated from the villages every time a trial took place. More important, the range of the missile had to be confined to less than 300 km. Also, contrastive trajectories could not be tested.
To overcome these problems, scientists at the DRDO designed the floating testing range — a huge ship with a designated displacement equivalent to 10,000 tonnes. The state-of-the-art range would have many facilities such as a launch-pad, a launch control center and a mission control centre.
Construction Begins

The construction of the range, which has just started, might take at least three to four years for the ship to be ready to conduct the first trial, sources said.
It will pave the way for conducting trials for different trajectories, varying altitudes and also for higher ranges. We can go up to 1,000-1,500 km without any problem. Currently, DRDO has to conduct simulation tests for longer ranges. Once, this FTR is ready it will be able to carry out live tests.

 

[Screambowl]

Dhanush is single stage missile that means entire missile will go up and come down. So it has big RCS.

Problem is that we dont have big land area to test this missile defence, unless we put interceptor and radar on the ship or target missile on ship, as we dont have Agni 1 launch system from ship, we are not testing A1. Other option is to use floating test range, which has either the target missile or interceptor on it. DRDO is now making floating test range. Hope they make it fast and test it against actual RV.


here is the info on floating range

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...for-missile-defence-system/article7622922.ece

Work begins

The construction of the range, which has just started, might take at least three to four years for the ship to be ready to conduct the first trial, sources said.

“It will pave the way for conducting trials for different trajectories, varying altitudes and also for higher ranges. We can go up to 1,000-1,500 km without any problem. Currently, we have to conduct simulation tests for longer ranges. Once, this FTR is ready we will be able to carry out live tests,” the sources said.


another site

http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2015/11/ind-take-india-building-its-own-massive.html

India is building a unique floating testing range — essentially a huge ship — to overcome the limitations imposed by the land mass for carrying out missile tests of varying ranges for the two-tier ballistic missile defence (BMD) or Advanced Air Defence System to protect important Indian cities.
The system seeks to engage and destroy incoming enemy missiles at different altitudes in the endo and exo-atmospheres regimes. The first phase of the program envisages development of interceptors to annihilate incoming missiles with a range of 2,000 km, while the second phase aims to build such weapons to destroy missiles with a longer range.

India's Advanced Air Defence System will waylay Ballistic Missiles and Destroy it in Mid-Air
India has so far conducted 10 interceptor missile tests, eight of them successful. Most of the trials were conducted in the endo-atmosphere, and a few in the exo-atmosphere. The first phase of the system is expected to be deployed after some more interceptor trials in deployable configuration. Official sources told The Hindu that currently the missile testing range on Wheeler Island posed certain limitations as people needed to be evacuated from the villages every time a trial took place. More important, the range of the missile had to be confined to less than 300 km. Also, contrastive trajectories could not be tested.
To overcome these problems, scientists at the DRDO designed the floating testing range — a huge ship with a designated displacement equivalent to 10,000 tonnes. The state-of-the-art range would have many facilities such as a launch-pad, a launch control center and a mission control centre.
Construction Begins

The construction of the range, which has just started, might take at least three to four years for the ship to be ready to conduct the first trial, sources said.
It will pave the way for conducting trials for different trajectories, varying altitudes and also for higher ranges. We can go up to 1,000-1,500 km without any problem. Currently, DRDO has to conduct simulation tests for longer ranges. Once, this FTR is ready it will be able to carry out live tests.

I was talking about infra red heat signature through infra red camera. Which happens to be black in this. What I mentioned is revolving around the speed of the target.

Except Nasr all Paki or Chinese warhead will have velocity close to 6-7km/s where as dhanush would travel far less than that and hence easier to engage.

They should test the weapon against Agni series.

 

[sayareakd]

I was talking about infra red heat signature through infra red camera. Which happens to be black in this. What I mentioned is revolving around the speed of the target.

Except Nasr all Paki or Chinese warhead will have velocity close to 6-7km/s where as dhanush would travel far less than that and hence easier to engage.

They should test the weapon against Agni series.

Modified Dhanush is tested in such a way that its speed is same as enemy missile at the descent phase.

we can track the football size target to 400-800 kms, once you can do that and have shown the capability to intercept target with the speed you mention, its easy game.

Lot of electronic target tests happen, which are not made public. I already posted the pic is simulator on this.

Therefore all this has been done, but wait till floating test range so that it will be tested against RV. We have all the data available with us to use it in simulator and electronic target tests.

 

[praneet.bajpaie]

Funny discussions on Paki news channels. All the discussions harp on India got the technology from the US.

I have one question

India became a US ally only recently. Pakistan has been a US ally since 1947. Why didn't Pakistan get such high technology from their ally while we got it even though they have been a US ally for a longer period?

These Pakis cannot fathom the concept that we can build a defence system on our own. Funny people.

 

[Chinmoy]

I was talking about infra red heat signature through infra red camera. Which happens to be black in this. What I mentioned is revolving around the speed of the target.

Except Nasr all Paki or Chinese warhead will have velocity close to 6-7km/s where as dhanush would travel far less than that and hence easier to engage.

They should test the weapon against Agni series.

That's what I was saying in another thread. We are testing AAD, an endo-atmospheric interceptor. Means it is capable to intercept missile only inside atmosphere. It is ideal for SRBM and MRBM in some cases. But intercepting an ICBM is totally another ball game.

Moreover it would not intercept a missile warhead in reentry phase. In fact talking about intercepting a war head in reentry mode is Rajnikantish cool3. Its like intercepting a bullet fired at you head on with another bullet. AAD would intercept any missile on its flight path. So it current flight range of 30km makes it ideal for SRBMs and MRBMs which does remain inside earth atmosphere during the whole flight time.

Against CM, you do need much complex and hi end seeker, rather then the INS and thermal seeker which AAD is sporting now. Moreover to kill an oncoming CM you need another pseudo CM which could track, guide and target on its own.

 

[Screambowl]

That's what I was saying in another thread. We are testing AAD, an endo-atmospheric interceptor. Means it is capable to intercept missile only inside atmosphere. It is ideal for SRBM and MRBM in some cases. But intercepting an ICBM is totally another ball game.

Moreover it would not intercept a missile warhead in reentry phase. In fact talking about intercepting a war head in reentry mode is Rajnikantish cool3. Its like intercepting a bullet fired at you head on with another bullet. AAD would intercept any missile on its flight path. So it current flight range of 30km makes it ideal for SRBMs and MRBMs which does remain inside earth atmosphere during the whole flight time.

Against CM, you do need much complex and hi end seeker, rather then the INS and thermal seeker which AAD is sporting now. Moreover to kill an oncoming CM you need another pseudo CM which could track, guide and target on its own.

I will be more satisfied if the AAD PAD gets success in intercepting the Agni series of missiles and a qasi Ballistic Saurya , in Terminal Phase. Till then it will not be in operational status.

 

[Chinmoy]

I will be more satisfied if the AAD PAD gets success in intercepting the Agni series of missiles and a qasi Ballistic Saurya , in Terminal Phase. Till then it will not be in operational status.

Intercepting in terminal phase?......... long shot. I can't even think of any BMD shield around which does have this capacity. Reason? I already told above. But yeah, PDV is an integral part of Indian BMD. Sans PDV, AAD is enough for most of the SRBMs and MRBMs in our Western frontier. But for Northern frontier, PDV is essential and we do need something more then S400 .

 

[LETHALFORCE]

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/16...n_Prithvi_Size_Ballistic_Missile#.VzxcxPD3arU


Indian Interceptor Missile Knocks-down Prithvi-Size Ballistic missile

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Pakistani Editorial

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2016/05/17/comment/pak-india-arms-race-2/



Pak-India arms race


If Pakistan and India had developed the capability of learning from experience they would have abandoned the arms race long ago. Both continue to battle serious social issues that have been deprived of billions of dollars that were diverted to the security matrix instead over decades. As a result, seventy years after independence, neither has been able to effectively deal with poverty, slums, employment problems, etc. Both are nuclear powers, though, and give the highest importance to military superiority. And this rivalry, to be ahead of the curve in terms of deterrence at least, assumes an even more dangerous dimension when the political temperature is high.

That is precisely why India’s test firing of its indigenously developed Advanced Air Defence (AAD) supersonic interceptor missile, successful as it was, was still the wrong step at the wrong time. The backdrop is particularly revealing. The dialogue is suspended for the time being. To provoke military escalation now betrays a shrewdly calculated move on the chessboard. The Indians have been obsessed with this AAD since ’06 – this was the 12th time that it was test-fired. Again, going by convention, a countermeasure is likely

However, Pakistan must think long and hard about the posture it wants to take – especially since it is realigning long-held policy on a number of existential issues. Pakistan is a country with the worst kind of poverty and deprivation, a largely wasted lower- and middle-income working class, an educational and medical nightmare, and a broken down service delivery system. According to news reports it has the highest child mortality rate in the region. And the World Bank says that as many as 60 percent of Pakistani children are now born stunted. Now, since the country has achieved effective deterrence, it must no longer play the arms buildup games with India, especially since Delhi spends in excess of $50b on the military –world’s sixth largest military spender in ’15. We must instead, finally, begin diverting money where it is more urgently needed. Further deterrence does not need to be at the cost of basic development.