India studying NATO offer on joining missile programme

[JayATL]

We should build our own. West is known for its backstabbing qualities.

I am seeing a trend of nato coming to us with offers whenever we are near at completing or testing our own defense hardware.

Oye! why do you think Russia is part of the NATO shield too? Do you know the costs involved? why spend Close to billions deploying when you can get it for cheaper as a part of this shield.

This is a NATO shield, they don't just stop it one day on India- there are agreements in place , contractual ones involves multiple countries. Nobody is stopping you from continued R&D - no need to mass produce/ spend production. dollars ---Keep your R&D going...Russia is too.

I want you to think for a second. US has greater and greater economic interests in India, regional interests in India and it will stop the shield one fine day? makes no sense..these are defensive weapons --- all the more it makes no sense for it being yanked off

 

[nrj]

Whenever indigenous programs are on the verge of success & ready to go into full production, fantastic offers knock Indian doors.

 

[captonjohn]

Personally I'm in favor to accept NATO's offer to provide BMD cover but with some cautions which I'm listing below:

1. NATO will have to provide BMD's 100% technology with the scope of manufacturing & developing more sophisticated units as joint venture or alone.
2. India will not provide any place for a military base for NATO to use its land for NATO's interests which has no relation with India.
3. India will not be forced to slow down its indigenous BMD development plans nor will be forced to share it with NATO until India wills.

 

[The Messiah]

Oye! why do you think Russia is part of the NATO shield too? Do you know the costs involved? why spend Close to billions deploying when you can get it for cheaper as a part of this shield.

This is a NATO shield, they don't just stop it one day on India- there are agreements in place , contractual ones involves multiple countries. Nobody is stopping you from continued R&D - no need to mass produce/ spend production. dollars ---Keep your R&D going...Russia is too.

I want you to think for a second. US has greater and greater economic interests in India, regional interests in India and it will stop the shield one fine day? makes no sense..these are defensive weapons --- all the more it makes no sense for it being yanked off

When it comes to security of the nation i wont trust anyone else other than our own armed forces.

In a hypothetical situation if the situation was reserved would the yanks agree to place national security at the hands of another country ?

Agreements and contracts are nothing but pieces of paper. usa was building nuclear reactors for iran when it was under the shah so why are they opposing it now ? agreements and contracts are not torn up when leadership of a country changes and I couldn't care what russia does.

 

[pmaitra]

We should build our own. West is known for its backstabbing qualities.

I am seeing a trend of nato coming to us with offers whenever we are near at completing or testing our own defense hardware.

Whenever indigenous programs are on the verge of success & ready to go into full production, fantastic offers knock Indian doors.

Oye! why do you think Russia is part of the NATO shield too? Do you know the costs involved? why spend Close to billions deploying when you can get it for cheaper as a part of this shield.

This is a NATO shield, they don't just stop it one day on India- there are agreements in place , contractual ones involves multiple countries. Nobody is stopping you from continued R&D - no need to mass produce/ spend production. dollars ---Keep your R&D going...Russia is too.

I want you to think for a second. US has greater and greater economic interests in India, regional interests in India and it will stop the shield one fine day? makes no sense..these are defensive weapons --- all the more it makes no sense for it being yanked off

When it comes to security of the nation i wont trust anyone else other than our own armed forces.

In a hypothetical situation if the situation was reserved would the yanks agree to place national security at the hands of another country ?

Agreements and contracts are nothing but pieces of paper. usa was building nuclear reactors for iran when it was under the shah so why are they opposing it now ? agreements and contracts are not torn up when leadership of a country changes and I couldn't care what russia does.

This post below strikes a very good balance between the opinions express in the above posts.

Personally I'm in favor to accept NATO's offer to provide BMD cover but with some cautions which I'm listing below:

1. NATO will have to provide BMD's 100% technology with the scope of manufacturing & developing more sophisticated units as joint venture or alone.
2. India will not provide any place for a military base for NATO to use its land for NATO's interests which has no relation with India.
3. India will not be forced to slow down its indigenous BMD development plans nor will be forced to share it with NATO until India wills.

 

[JayATL]

The Hindu : News / National : India studying NATO offer on joining missile programme

The North Atlantic Treaty Organisation's (NATO) invitation to India in the first week of September to be a partner in its ballistic missile defence (BMD) programme is being analysed, according to V.K. Saraswat, Scientific Adviser to the Defence Minister.

"We are analysing the report. It is under consideration," he said on September 30 after the successful launch of the Agni-II ballistic missile from the Wheeler Island on the Orissa coast.

India has so far conducted six interceptor missile tests as part of its quest to establish a credible shield against ballistic missiles launched from adversarial countries. Of these, five interceptor tests, including the first three in a row, were successful.

The first interceptor missile test took place in November 2006.

These six tests featured a missile launched from the Integrated Test Range (ITR) at Chandipur on the Orissa coast, mimicking the path of a ballistic missile coming from an "enemy country" and an interceptor launched from the Wheeler Island destroying the incoming missile in mid-flight.

The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is the author of India's BMD programme and Dr. Saraswat is the programme's architect. He is DRDO Director-General.

BALLISTIC CLASH

A top DRDO official had described an interceptor destroying an incoming ballistic missile in mid-flight as "hitting a bullet with a bullet."

After three successful test-flights of Shourya, Prithvi-II and Agni-II missiles, all surface-to-surface missiles, on September 24, 26 and 30, the DRDO is getting ready to launch Agni-II Prime from the Wheeler Island. "The two stages of Agni-II Prime, their rocket motors and the re-entry vehicle are ready," the DRDO Director-General said.

Tessy Thomas, Project Director, Agni-II Prime, said: "We are flying" the Agni-II Prime in the first week of November and that "everything is ready" for the launch. The two-stage missile has a range of 3,000 km.

It will lift off from a road-mobile launcher, that is, a huge truck. Ms. Thomas was confident that a problem in the control system of Agni-II Prime in its maiden flight in December 2010 would be overcome this time.

The DRDO is also busy with the maiden launch of the Agni-V ballistic missile in December. The three-stage, surface-to-surface missile can take out targets 5,000 km away.

ON SCHEDULE

"Agni-V is on schedule. We will launch it as announced by the Raksha Mantri [Defence Minister A.K. Antony] by the end of this year," said Avinash Chander, Chief Controller (Missiles and Strategic Systems), DRDO. "All the sub-systems have been tested."

 

[JayATL]

This would mean billions of dollars in savings, even close to trillions over a period of time. Or at the very least allow India's own effort to proceed not on a hurried path... Defense shield remember is a DEFEND only shield and not an Offensive shield, so any paranoia about it being messed with by anti US anti NATO crowd here is unsubstantiated...

 

[LETHALFORCE]

This would mean billions of dollars in savings, even close to trillions over a period of time. Or at the very least allow India's own effort to proceed not on a hurried path... Defense shield remember is a DEFEND only shield and not an Offensive shield, so any paranoia about it being messed with by anti US anti NATO crowd here is unsubstantiated...

NATO will surely ask India to pay it's fair share. But other than that the main concern would be the defenses of
the nation at the mercy of others. Has India and USA/NATO relations reached this point of trust?? What will
happen to our indigneous programs?? It would be a loss in 2 ways money to join the NATO shield and money
spent on our indigenous efforts. Indigenous efforts have reached a point of intercepting IRBM's currently
and ICBM's interception in the not to distant future.

 

[JayATL]

NATO will surely ask India to pay it's fair share. But other than that the main concern would be the defenses of
the nation at the mercy of others. Has India and USA/NATO relations reached this point of trust?? What will
happen to our indigneous programs?? It would be a loss in 2 ways money to join the NATO shield and money
spent on our indigenous efforts. Indigenous efforts have reached a point of intercepting IRBM's currently
and ICBM's interception in the not to distant future.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

US will not give X-band radar to India so this offer is highly unlikely.

 

[Daredevil]

It must be summarily rejected. This is one field where India is dong reasonably well. So far our Anti-missile defence program has shown good progress and I hope govt. won't stifle the program to please Americans.

 

[SPIEZ]

NATO will surely ask India to pay it's fair share. But other than that the main concern would be the defenses of
the nation at the mercy of others. Has India and USA/NATO relations reached this point of trust?? What will
happen to our indigneous programs?? It would be a loss in 2 ways money to join the NATO shield and money
spent on our indigenous efforts. Indigenous efforts have reached a point of intercepting IRBM's currently
and ICBM's interception in the not to distant future.

Not really, if anything i hope our technology will improve NATO has a long history of missile development. We could possibly learn from that experience. Already we are developing the SHORT RANGE QUICK REACTION MISSILE with MBDA

 

[trackwhack]

This would mean billions of dollars in savings, even close to trillions over a period of time. Or at the very least allow India's own effort to proceed not on a hurried path... Defense shield remember is a DEFEND only shield and not an Offensive shield, so any paranoia about it being messed with by anti US anti NATO crowd here is unsubstantiated...

Jay, you do understand that a trillion is 1000 billion right?

India aint gonna save a penny in the deal. Perhaps we will save time. Given the 2014 target to shield Delhi, realistically we can add 18 months to this. Extrpolating this timeline, all metros should be covered by 2020 and all strategic sites by 2022. This if we choose to go it alone with the PAD/AAD and other planned programs. The Exo atmospheric deployment will start probably by 2020 and go on till 2030.

Now if we choose NATO's offer, we will probably have a Delhi covered by 2014, all metros by 2017 and all strategic installations by 2020. and it would cost us a fkn bomb for all this. It will be as much as our own development and deployment costs. India is not a small European nation state with Iran's conventional weapons being the greatest threat. We are a huge country with dozens of very valuable targets to protect from very agressive neighbours who have credible offensive capabilities. So a NATO shield is going to be massively expensive. Probably as expensive as the current European shield.

 

[JayATL]

It must be summarily rejected. This is one filed where India is dong reasonable well. So far our Anti-missile defence program has shown good progress and I hope govt. won't stifle the program to please Americans.

How do you stifle it- where is the conversation about stifling it?

When is the Indian shield program able to deploy nationally in earnest?

What do you know about the NATO shield that EVEN RUSSIA is a part of? And why do you think that Russians who are way more advanced than India in their defensive shield program is joining the NATO shield?

 

[trackwhack]

And whats with the aggro dude. This is a forum. Learn to debate and respond to others thoughts.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Not really, if anything i hope our technology will improve NATO has a long history of missile development. We could possibly learn from that experience. Already we are developing the SHORT RANGE QUICK REACTION MISSILE with MBDA

Missiles are not the issue, will we get X-BAND radar??

 

[JayATL]

Jay, you do understand that a trillion is 1000 billion right?

India aint gonna save a penny in the deal. Perhaps we will save time. Given the 2014 target to shield Delhi, realistically we can add 18 months to this. Extrpolating this timeline, all metros should be covered by 2020 and all strategic sites by 2022. This if we choose to go it alone with the PAD/AAD and other planned programs. The Exo atmospheric deployment will start probably by 2020 and go on till 2030.

Now if we choose NATO's offer, we will probably have a Delhi covered by 2014, all metros by 2017 and all strategic installations by 2020. and it would cost us a fkn bomb for all this. It will be as much as our own development and deployment costs. India is not a small European nation state with Iran's conventional weapons being the greatest threat. We are a huge country with dozens of very valuable targets to protect from very agressive neighbours who have credible offensive capabilities. So a NATO shield is going to be massively expensive. Probably as expensive as the current European shield.

Damn the russians must be dumb that they want to join their cold war enemy and current rival's shield too. hey, btw- can you tell us what are the costs associated with the NATO shield? you seem to have the math down . So why is India considering it again?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

NATO European shield is expected to cost 200 million Euros over 10 years or 1/2 a trillion dollars but probably closer to twice this amount.

 

[trackwhack]

Damn the russians must be dumb that they want to join their cold war enemy and current rival's shield too. hey, btw- can you tell us what are the costs associated with the NATO shield? you seem to have the math down . So why is India considering it again?

Seriously man, learn to debate. Drop the condescence. You are the one who seemed to have the math on it by saying India will probably save trillions?
TRILLIONS??!!! Seriously, Do you have any comprehension of the number system?

 

[Daredevil]

How do you stifle it- where is the conversation about stifling it?

Our Indigenous program gets stifled because we cannot afford to have two parallel BMD programs and that too for such a large country like India.

When is the Indian shield program able to deploy nationally in earnest?

At the earnest may be 3-4 years.

What do you know about the NATO shield that EVEN RUSSIA is a part of? And why do you think that Russians who are way more advanced than India in their defensive shield program is joining the NATO shield?

When did russia join NATO shield? .

If anything, the BMD shield of NATO is for protection from Russian, North Korean or Iranian missiles.