India should recognize Tibetan freedom for its own good.

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In order for India to recognize Tibet, India would first need at least 3 to 5 Boomers with proven MIRV based SLBM that can it hit China anywhere with an 8000 mile range.

Once India has that credible deterrent, then the strategic cost of a long or short major conventional border conflict with India will escalate dramatically for China.

This will in turn create a stalemate where neither country can afford to make extremely aggressive moves due to economic and global pressures.

Under those circumstances, India can then pull a "Pak gameplan on China" and be a constant irritant.
 

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I agree with you mattster. We need to be able to attack Beijing, only then will the cost of engagement increase substantially for China with India.
 

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I agree with the posts above paraphrasing a chinese general who once commented that the americans should worry more about whether los angeles's existence is more important than who controls taiwan.I would like to say that india should build a deterrent strong enough so the CCP would be more worried about whether shanghai/beijing exist rather than who controls Tawang.
 

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While its ideal to have the capability Mattster is talking about and something that India will have in due course, but even the present structure of Indias deterrence is enough to meet Chinese aggression. That we have not fought again since 62, is proof enough that Beijing considers a war with India to its detriment. So what we have from them is some posturing and aggressive and belligerent talks from China.
 

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In order for India to recognize Tibet, India would first need at least 3 to 5 Boomers with proven MIRV based SLBM that can it hit China anywhere with an 8000 mile range.

Once India has that credible deterrent, then the strategic cost of a long or short major conventional border conflict with India will escalate dramatically for China.

This will in turn create a stalemate where neither country can afford to make extremely aggressive moves due to economic and global pressures.

Under those circumstances, India can then pull a "Pak gameplan on China" and be a constant irritant.
For India to recognize Tibet ever, would require a brand new radical nationalist party at the centre with a strong mandate and leaders, committed to the development of India as a super power, complete overhaul of bureaucracy alongwith a total and utter demise of Congress and Gandhi Family and their sycophantic followers.

EDIT: Alongwith it an enlightened citizenry committed to the Tibetan cause.
 

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In short Singh, the DFI government that we had formed would do the job!!!
 

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Aaaa.... Whether this article says India should wage a war against China for Tibet?

Why is your nut always getting loose?
No, it doesn't say that. But the problem is: words cannot win independence for tibet.
 

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Because, here we have the freedom of not thinking in line of the Government. We may not be able to fight and drive China out of Tibet (at least in near future)but that does not change the reality that Chaina came and occupied Tibet.
Because, here you have the conveniance to igore all the realities. The reality is India would get nothing more from recognising the independence of tibet.
 

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I dont believe that india is either interested in controlling tibet as an autonomous indian state.
But India can do much using tibet, it may sound selfish, but its in very benefit of india and tibet, if india's intelligence services plan a HUGE proxy war via tibet. This is the only way I can think, and i seriosuly support tibet to be recognised as a prosprous buddhist nation.
 

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Because, here you have the conveniance to igore all the realities. The reality is India would get nothing more from recognising the independence of tibet.

Oh but we would:

- An independent Tibet would automatically obviate any Chinese claims to Arunaachal Pradesh, which presently rest on the frivolous claim to ownership on behalf of the Tibetan people as being an appendage of the South Tibetan plateau.

- An independent Tibet would also serve as a buffer state between two large Asian countries.

- It would erode into China's territorial size, by as much as a 1/7th, which in strategic terms would suit India nicely.

- Because of cultural and religious affinity, Tibet would lean towards India, and it is not unfeasible that it would become a sectary-state giving India greater leverage in a region where it is bordered by a nuclear-capable rival on the one side, and a nuclear-capable, rapidly emerging competitor economy on the other.


Ofcourse, in reality, the balance of power occasions that India does not have the ability to effect such an outcome.

But as to its benefits, they are certainly there (note: this argument does not factor in the predominant consideration that the Tibetans themselves desire independence).
 

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In my opinion, merely recognizing Tibet as a sperate country will only going to be seen as a Policy change on India's part by China and at the same time, it doesn't translate into negating China's claim on AP as a part of Tibet and more so won't be enough to stop Chinese atrocities on Tibetens in Tibet. We should not forget India's intentions to free tibet from the clutches of China during 1950 and subsequent warning by china to have war only reinforces the fact that China always supports its vested territorial claims backed by its Powerful Military, as China always use contemprory Geo-Political scenario into equation while making any major move to achieve considerable part of its territorial claim. Testimony to this fact is Soviet support to china during Korean War and unwillingness of major power around the world to support Tibeten cause and protect them from Chinese invasion, as they were engaged in major rebuilding process to recover from the afteraffects of World War-II.

Another major aptitude of China is think long term and accordingly craft all its stretegies around it, which steam from the fact that it willing to create every possible barriar to all emerging nations around it to have some sort of a issues and to force them deal with by spending considerable time and money. Exactly this is the reason why China is using AP to play with India to create unnecessary controversis to deal with.

We Indians, instead of straight away bringing in Tibet into the picture, we first need to aggressively bring India's own territories which have been forceibly occupied by both Pak and China in the form of POK and Aksai Chin. Unless we pursue this two long standing overdues, till then it will be foolish to play Tibeten card to our advantage. We first need occupy our lost territory of Kashmir from Pak by declaring War, no matter what price we need to pay for it even at the cost of economic rebuilding. Unless, we don't willing to sacrifice something major, till then we cannot expect nations around us from stop claiming India's legal territory and create challange for India's Integrity.

Always remember China's recent intrusion and in one case writing on rocks with paint something in Chinese language which had a particuler meaning. And that meaning according to Indian Elits on Chinese matter is that China's Cultural expansion simply doesn't respect any boundaries and barriars, for which Chinese will everything it can to comply with such expansion.
 

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actually, I agree India should recognize Tibet as an independent country, because I hate the Chinese propaganda saying people in other countries are friendly to China. Chinese don't believe CCP about a lot things but they believe about this one.
By recognizing Tibet, India can help to wake Chinese people up about the true reality in the international relationship, after they feel the pressure they will realize the only way out is to build China stronger, and be more forcus, with will prepare Chinese mindset for China being a real superpower
Agreed, after spending several months here, i am very disappointed with CCP about their propaganda that India is friendly to China, which actually is a total lie and has deceived a lot of Chinese . India is not a friend of China, India is an enemy of China, why don't we wake up? Maybe India's official recognition of " the independence of Tibet" will be a good beginning, which will help all Chinese realize what a dangerous world we are in, what a dangerous neighbor we are facing. So all indian friends here, why not use your vote to force GOI to recognize the Independence of Tibet now? We are looking forward to it.
 

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Agreed, after spending several months here, i am very disappointed with CCP about their propaganda that India is friendly to China, which actually is a total lie and has deceived a lot of Chinese . India is not a friend of China, India is an enemy of China, why don't we wake up? Maybe India's official recognition of " the independence of Tibet" will be a good beginning, which will help all Chinese realize what a dangerous world we are in, what a dangerous neighbor we are facing. So all indian friends here, why not use your vote to force GOI to recognize the Independence of Tibet now? We are looking forward to it.
For India it can be a very Big step as of current scenario, I wonder if its very fatal for you guys in china to propose this in media for tibet independence.
In a nutshell, India isnt china's enemy, But china is india's enemy, in all the ways, by setting a proxy war through pakistan, and doing all the notorious acts on border.
 

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Agreed, after spending several months here, i am very disappointed with CCP about their propaganda that India is friendly to China, which actually is a total lie and has deceived a lot of Chinese.
Oh, please spare us this BS. When did CCP said that India is a friend to its people. If India is really a friend, China wouldn't supply nuclear weapons, missiles, fighters etc to Pakistan which will be used against India. China is nobody's friend and neither is India. They are doing what is in their national interests. If China pushes India too much on Arunachal issue, India might actually reverse its stand on Tibet.
 

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Agreed, after spending several months here, i am very disappointed with CCP about their propaganda that India is friendly to China, which actually is a total lie and has deceived a lot of Chinese . India is not a friend of China, India is an enemy of China, why don't we wake up? Maybe India's official recognition of " the independence of Tibet" will be a good beginning, which will help all Chinese realize what a dangerous world we are in, what a dangerous neighbor we are facing. So all indian friends here, why not use your vote to force GOI to recognize the Independence of Tibet now? We are looking forward to it.
Right, China is a friend of India. That is why it issues separate visa for the residents of two of its states. That is why it builds dams and bridges in Indian territory held by Pakistan. That is why you opposed NSG waiver. That is why you opposed our loan in ADB and the list goes on. Yes China is a friend of India.
 

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Exactly as daredevil said, If china pushes too much on arunachal, India will have the strong way to tighten on tibet as a buffer nation, not a part of china.
 

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Something that most Indians in the forum world thing. India should use Tibet as a weapon to fight China. This coming out from a Tibetan activist, shows how much the Tibetans too support India in its defense.
Though it may sound selfish, but it suits either side to use each other in the fight against China.
well ,why not replace "china" with "india" and replace "Tibet" with "Kashmir"?

I am interereting to know how do indian feels like such a replacement?
 

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well ,why not replace "china" with "india" and replace "Tibet" with "Kashmir"?

I am interereting to know how do indian feels like such a replacement?
Kashmir was handed over to the Dominion of India after Independence through diplomatic means that was recognized by the British govt. Indian Troops were airlifted for the defence of Srinagar after the accord was signed. We did not have to bulldoze through 300km of mountains to reach Srinagar.

There are other provinces that were captured militarily or through diplomatic coercion. Eg: Rajasthan and parts of Gujarat wanted to be free. Hyderabad wanted to be free. The Portugese were kicked out of Goa by military force. Compared to these three, Kashmir was the most diplomatic and legal occupation.

China took Tibet by force illegally by ousting the Dalai Lama. No diplomatic treaty has been signed with the exiled govt.

So, you figure?
 

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Kashmir was handed over to the Dominion of India after Independence through diplomatic means that was recognized by the British govt. Indian Troops were airlifted for the defence of Srinagar after the accord was signed. We did not have to bulldoze through 300km of mountains to reach Srinagar.

There are other provinces that were captured militarily or through diplomatic coercion. Eg: Rajasthan and parts of Gujarat wanted to be free. Hyderabad wanted to be free. The Portugese were kicked out of Goa by military force. Compared to these three, Kashmir was the most diplomatic and legal occupation.

China took Tibet by force illegally by ousting the Dalai Lama. No diplomatic treaty has been signed with the exiled govt.

So, you figure?
I am now very enjoying your anger over my messing your Kashmir ...just as you enjoy CHinese anger over your messing our Tibet ....

just have a change-place-reflect....
 

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Agreed, after spending several months here, i am very disappointed with CCP about their propaganda that India is friendly to China, which actually is a total lie and has deceived a lot of Chinese . India is not a friend of China, India is an enemy of China, why don't we wake up? Maybe India's official recognition of " the independence of Tibet" will be a good beginning, which will help all Chinese realize what a dangerous world we are in, what a dangerous neighbor we are facing. So all indian friends here, why not use your vote to force GOI to recognize the Independence of Tibet now? We are looking forward to it.
What will happen if all Chinese 'wake up', huh? China will still be ruled by CPC authoritarianly. You are talking as if, average chinese have any role in formulating policy towards India(which is anyway hostile, as DD and Yusuf have explained).
 

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