India set to join NSG

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The NSG membership is being overhypedby the media, both domestic and foreign. It's all about the status and being accepted in an exclusive club but does India actually need it now? Not really. With numerous bilateral nuclear agreements with major players like the US, Russia, France, Canada, Australia and Kazakhstan, India has no worries securing the fuel and raw material supply for its growing number of nuclear reactors. She should let it rest for another decade and work on building economic and political clout. Why does world's most populous country need to beg smaller nations when she herself has the potential to dictate the policy in near future?

It's time to think about killing all these exclusive clubs like NSG, MCTR, CTBT etc which were designed to serve the west in the first place. With enough economic power, China and India can end this western domination and make new clubs based on merit rather than political agenda.
India secured uranium from two non NSG members so uranium supply is
A non issue. India is spending 100 billion for reactors . Why spend if you
Are not part of the group? This is being twisted as a rivalry but it is mostly
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India secured uranium from two non NSG members so uranium supply is
A non issue. India is spending 100 billion for reactors . Why spend if you
Are not part of the group? This is being twisted as a rivalry but it is mostly
business
Yes business it is as an entry in NSG will allow India to export and re-export nuclear technology to other countries. The big question is the timing. Does India need it now?
 
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Yes now is the perfect time. Why give business to people in a group that you are excluded from? Why do they want to sell to India if it is not in the group?


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Yes now is the perfect time. Why give business to people in a group that you are excluded from? Why do they want to sell to India if it is not in the group?


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Isn't India doing just that? I mean to say all the major deals since the 123 agreement was struck have been awarded to Russia and France...two of the first countries to have a bilateral nuclear agreement with India. The pioneer of the agreement, the USA is left emptyhanded.
India isn't doing much business with other NSG members except for importing fuel. Being included into the NSG won't change much in short terms.
 
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India and USA signed a deal for six reactors on this modi visit. US can also probably be a uranium supplier and I think all spent fuel will be processed by USA . So USA is probably the biggest beneficiary from the agreement. US would never make an agreement where they do not gain something.


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India and USA signed a deal for six reactors on this modi visit. US can also probably be a uranium supplier and I think all spent fuel will be processed by USA . So USA is probably the biggest beneficiary from the agreement. US would never make an agreement where they do not gain something.


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It took the US 12 years to sell a few Westinghouse Reactors to India. Being a NSG members or not was never a precondition. So again the question, why does India need the NSG now?
 
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It took the US 12 years to sell a few Westinghouse Reactors to India. Being a NSG members or not was never a precondition. So again the question, why does India need the NSG now?
India has developed a thorium cycle and implemented it;no other country
has been able to do that. If India wants to share this tech in the future or commercialize it NSG membership would be needed.
 

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India has developed a thorium cycle and implemented it;no other country
has been able to do that. If India wants to share this tech in the future or commercialize it NSG membership would be needed.
Thorium cycle is an alternative for uranium but still in its infancy and the biggest disadvantage is that this cycle is very time consuming hence unattractive for many countries with urgent need for clean energy. india holds worlds second largest thorium deposits hence the need to develop and explore the potential.
 
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Thorium cycle is an alternative for uranium but still in its infancy and the biggest disadvantage is that this cycle is very time consuming hence unattractive for many countries with urgent need for clean energy. india holds worlds second largest thorium deposits hence the need to develop and explore the potential.
It is developed and producing clean energy now . Thorium is safer and cleaner than uranium and much less radioactivity, the plan is to expand and become self sufficient

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/fast-forwarding-to-thorium/article7834156.ece

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Today morning India going to join the MTCR. INDIA WILL MAKE SURE THAT CHINA WILL NOT JOIN MTCR..... CHINA HAS BEEN TRYING TO JOIN MTCR FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS. MTCR is more important than NSG as it is for buying and selling nuclear fuel. India has plenty. The only thing India lacks is the technology. Now we will get the technology and also we will be able to increase the range of BRAHMOS.... THIS A NIGHTMARE FOR CHINA AND PAKISTAN.....
 

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It took the US 12 years to sell a few Westinghouse Reactors to India. Being a NSG members or not was never a precondition. So again the question, why does India need the NSG now?
India has developed a thorium cycle and implemented it;no other country
has been able to do that. If India wants to share this tech in the future or commercialize it NSG membership would be needed.
Thorium cycle is an alternative for uranium but still in its infancy and the biggest disadvantage is that this cycle is very time consuming hence unattractive for many countries with urgent need for clean energy. india holds worlds second largest thorium deposits hence the need to develop and explore the potential.
good debate going on above

gives india reason to relaaaax ....( but should we ? ) things going our way ....either way ...... we seem for the moment to have advantages

not being member of nsg means we get to avoid pressure to share our specialized knowledge and research regarding thorium-based technology ....... plus we also make direct bilateral deals with France Russia Japan Israel Kazakhstan and now even australia canada ..... NSG is justa badge to qualify for permanaent 6 of UNSC and some legal vcovering for high status and right to poke our nose into middle eastern affairs etc etc

it is not a core requirement but no harm having it ...... we can play our game appropriately eg
(a) utilize our outsider status to make our own rules in order to get them to invite us in
(b) genuinely prefer to be outside the regime to do our own thing and avoid inspections and having to play to their rules because we actually prefer to be out

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good debate going on above

gives india reason to relaaaax ....( but should we ? ) things going our way ....either way ...... we seem for the moment to have advantages

not being member of nsg means we get to avoid pressure to share our specialized knowledge and research regarding thorium-based technology ....... plus we also make direct bilateral deals with France Russia Japan Israel Kazakhstan and now even australia canada ..... NSG is justa badge to qualify for permanaent 6 of UNSC and some legal vcovering for high status and right to poke our nose into middle eastern affairs etc etc

it is not a core requirement but no harm having it ...... we can play our game appropriately eg
(a) utilize our outsider status to make our own rules in order to get them to invite us in
(b) genuinely prefer to be outside the regime to do our own thing and avoid inspections and having to play to their rules because we actually prefer to be out

@Neo @LETHALFORCE @Screambowl @Navnit Kundu @Indx TechStyle @aliyah @ezsasa
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Nice clean punch...well said.

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India gets one more step closer to NSG.

India got its membership in Multilateral Export Control Regime Wassenaar Agreement

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/in...t-control-regime/amp_articleshow/61974050.cms

This agreement also helps us in acquiring critical tech and helps us to build a strong case to NSG.

Funny part is China is not a member of this agreement.

Out of four agreements in Multilateral Export Control Regime (MECR), we are a members of two agreements i.e. MTCR and WA

We are not part of NSG and Australian Agreement(regarding chem & bio weapons).

Joining WA will increase our Non-proliferation credentials for joining NSG.
 
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Boost for NSG membership, as India gains entry into 'Australia Group'


NEW DELHI: India today become a member of the 'Australia Group' (AG), a move that is expected to raise New Delhi's stature in the field of non-proliferation and also help it acquire critical technologies.
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India is now a member of the Missile Technology Control Regime+ (MTCR), the Wassenaar Arrangement+ (WA) as well as AG, three of four non-proliferation regimes. The only one remaining is the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG). India has managed entry into all three groups despite not being a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), and despite China's attempts to stonewall its bid to enter the NSG.
AG is a cooperative and voluntary group of countries working to counter the spread of materials, equipment and technologies that could contribute to the development or acquisition of chemical and biological weapons by states or terrorist groups. In December, India gained entry into WA. In June last year, India joined the MTCR, another key export control regime, as a full member.

Significantly, China, which stonewalled India's entry into the 48-nation NSG is not a member of the WA or the MTCR, both of which play a significant role in promoting transparency and greater responsibility in transfers of conventional arms and dual-use goods and technologies.

Since its civil nuclear deal with the US, India has been trying to get into export control regimes such as the NSG, the MTCR, the Australia Group and the Wassenaar Arrangement that regulate the conventional, nuclear, biological and chemicals weapons and technologies.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...into-australia-group/articleshow/62567229.cms
 

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India's inclusion in NSG will boost global export control system: Germany

Strongly pitching for India's inclusion in the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), Germany today said the global export control system will benefit a lot from New Delhi's participation in all its four regimes.

Out of the four export control regimes that work to keep proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) in check, India is a member of the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR), the Wassenaar Arrangement and the Australia Group.

India's membership to the 48-member NSG is being primarily opposed by China on the pretext that it is not a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

"Germany has strongly supported India in its efforts to become a member of the export control regimes just as we continue to strongly support India's membership in the Nuclear Suppliers Group," Jasper Wieck, the Deputy Head of the German mission here, said.

"We are convinced that the global export control system will benefit a lot from India's participation in all four regimes," he said while speaking at the inaugural session of India-Wiessbaden Conference 2018, organised jointly by the Ministry of External Affairs in cooperation with Germany and the United Nations Office for Disarmament Affairs.

Representatives from the government and industry of 39 countries, as well as experts from the UNSC 1540 Committee and UN Office for Disarmament Affairs in New York, are participating at the two-day conference titled 'Securing Global Supply Chains through Government-Industry Partnerships towards Effective Implementation of UNSC Resolution 1540' .

The UN Security Council Resolution 1540 (2004) establishes legally binding obligations on all states to adopt and enforce appropriate and effective measures to prevent the proliferation of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and their delivery systems to non-state actors.

It requires, therefore that countries implement appropriate and effective measures to prevent non-state actors such as terrorists, from obtaining access to WMDs.

"We consider this initiative (the conference) as yet another example of India's engagement with regards to international cooperation in the areas of export controls," Wieck said.


https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ntrol-system-germany/articleshow/63784571.cms
 
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