India set to join NSG

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All the elements of NPT and FMCT are in the hyde act and 123 agreement with USA.

Separation of civilian and nuclear use
Transfer of material technology
Reprocessing
Nuclear testing
Separation of military and civilian reactors
Status of fast breeder reactors
Number of military reactors
Spent fuel elimination

And much more
you mean signing of the NPT will merely be a formality ?
 

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All the elements of NPT and FMCT are in the hyde act and 123 agreement with USA.

Separation of civilian and nuclear use
Transfer of material technology
Reprocessing
Nuclear testing
Separation of military and civilian reactors
Status of fast breeder reactors
Number of military reactors
Spent fuel elimination

And much more
Hyde act limits the number of military reactors :eek: :eek: Are you crazy?
 

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you mean signing of the NPT will merely be a formality ?
Nope. We can conduct nuclear tests, but other states have the legal option to cut off our uranium supplies. So it is not illegal for India to conduct tests, but we lose our advantages. We are being given lollypops to stay quiet.
 
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Nope. We can conduct nuclear tests, but other states have the legal option to cut off our uranium supplies. So it is not illegal for India to conduct tests, but we lose our advantages. We are being given lollypops to stay quiet.
True but it would wipe out billions invested in nuclear reactors if they have no fuel? Tests can also be done on computers.

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9805/14/india.nuke.computers/index.html

Computer simulations can substitute for nuclear tests
 

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True but it would wipe out billions invested in nuclear reactors if they have no fuel? Tests can also be done on computers.
Yup. But there would be no legal basis like Iran to blockade us.
And Yes they can be done on computers.
Yes one that is not even required. IAEA can inspect civilian facilities when they please.

IAEA Mission Concludes Peer Review of India's Nuclear Regulatory Framework


https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pre...er-review-indias-nuclear-regulatory-framework
Our military reactors are exempt from this. Had we signed the NPT, we would have to give them up.
 
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Yup. But there would be no legal basis like Iran to blockade us.
And Yes they can be done on computers.

Our military reactors are exempt from this. Had we signed the NPT, we would have to give them up.
only if india placed all reactors for civilian use


fissilematerials.org/library/ma01.pdf

By omission, the NPT therefore allows withdrawal of fissile material from international safeguards for use in military reactor fuel.

http://fissilematerials.org/library/ma01.pdf
 
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any technology regime has 2 parts.... denial of tech to those outside the regime, and controlled access to members who are a part of the regime.
question is : will signing up for the MTCR allow access to drone , UAV & Propulsion tech ?
 
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any technology regime has 2 parts.... denial of tech to those outside the regime, and controlled access to members who are a part of the regime.
question is : will signing up for the MTCR allow access to drone , UAV & Propulsion tech ?
Nobody is going to give up there prized technology just because a nation has signed a stupid agreement. Billions of dollars and years are invested to develop
These things.
 
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I think maybe some possible work in software is being blocked ? Signing this May bring in some outsource work to be done cheaper in india? IMO
 

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NPT and FMCT ore different from 123 agreement with USA, there is practically no ban on India to use Nuclear technology in the way it desires.
India does has separate civilian and defense Institution for nuclear technology, except for BAARC where both research are done under different departments.
and USA and other nations have agreed to not poke into indian nuclear programme, and there will be no tracking of nuclear supplies within India.
All the elements of NPT and FMCT are in the hyde act and 123 agreement with USA.

Separation of civilian and nuclear use
Transfer of material technology
Reprocessing
Nuclear testing
Separation of military and civilian reactors
Status of fast breeder reactors
Number of military reactors
Spent fuel elimination


And much more
 
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NPT and FMCT ore different from 123 agreement with USA, there is practically no ban on India to use Nuclear technology in the way it desires.
India does has separate civilian and defense Institution for nuclear technology, except for BAARC where both research are done under different departments.
and USA and other nations have agreed to not poke into indian nuclear programme, and there will be no tracking of nuclear supplies within India.

Read up on reprocessing and spent fuel sections in the agreement . Any fissile material on civilian side has to be accounted for that is a main element of fmct .

India can do as it pleases with domestic fuel(uranium)

India plans on using domestic fuel on military side and import fuel for civilian side

All fast breeder reactors ( in future) will be on military side

Indian program is aiming towards using thorium as a primary fuel

All these points still give a lot of flexibility and independence to India's program.
But for any fuel ,technology or reactors (civilian side) these agreements apply.
 

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Any fissile material on civilian side has to be accounted for that is a main element of fmct .
no nuclear material will be traced within India, it was in statement released by GOI. they PDF file which you posted , doesnt has any citations or quotes, so it is hard to believe:cool3:
 
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no nuclear material will be traced within India, it was in statement released by GOI. they PDF file which you posted , doesnt has any citations or quotes, so it is hard to believe:cool3:
Any nuclear material, technology or reactor india imports will have to be accounted for. The article is to clarify NPT signatory nations have separate military reactors.
 

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Any nuclear material, technology or reactor india imports will have to be accounted for. The article is to clarify NPT signatory nations have separate military reactors.
Yes I agree the Nuclear material supplied by US will have to be accounted, but there is just a initial phased inspection by IAEA of Nuclear reactors, after that no provision for tracking exist.
 
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Nobody is going to give up there prized technology just because a nation has signed a stupid agreement. Billions of dollars and years are invested to develop
These things.
you`re right .... here`s the excerpt from the MTCR FAQ page at http://www.mtcr.info/english/FAQ-E.html

"Moreover, the MTCR Partners have explicitly affirmed that membership in the Regime provides no entitlement to obtain technology from another Partner and no obligation to supply it. "

Members usually benefit by blocking access to critical tech as per below provision

"Partners are bound by a “no-undercut” policy to consult each other before considering exporting an item on the list that has been notified as denied by another Partner pursuant to the MTCR Guidelines."

But, that`s also of no use to India since China is NOT a signatory to MTCR & Pak can merrily get the tech from them....... the only leverage we can get is by closely tracking the entire supply chain of all the relevant tech and hoping to net any transfers belonging to MTCR countries. question is : do we have the capabilities for this ?

Lastly, if MTCR is being peddled as a pre-condition to a UNSC Permanent Seat then I`d be highly skeptical of us signing up for it - occupying a Permanent Seat looks to be a very long ways away yet.
 

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