India rejects Pakistan’s demand for more evidence

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  1. Daredevil

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    India rejects Pakistan’s demand for more evidence

    Tuesday, 14 Apr, 2009 | 11:40 AM PST |

    NEW DELHI: India has rejected Pakistan’s demand for more information on the Mumbai attacks, saying Islamabad was indulging in ‘delaying’ and ‘diversionary’ tactics.

    According to the Hindustan times, Minister of State for External Affairs Anand Sharma said India has given sufficient evidence to Pakistan to act against identified masterminds.

    Sharma was asked to comment on Pakistan’s contention that the information provided by India is not sufficient and it should be given more details to enable it to take investigations forward.

    He added that by delaying action and raising technicalities, Pakistan would be undermining the credibility of its own commitments to take tangible action.

    The minister said ‘delaying tactics and invoking purely technical issues puts a question-mark on Pakistan’s sincerity and intent and India is waiting for tangible actions by Pakistan, not excuses.’

    He also ridiculed Pakistan for seeking the statement of former Mumbai ATS chief Hemant Karkare, who was killed during the 26/11 attacks, with regard to Colonel S K Purohit in Samjhauta Express blasts.

    ‘It is unconnected. It has nothing to do with 26/11. It is diversionary tactic,’ Sharma said.

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect...pakistans-demands-for-more-mumbai-evidence-ha
     
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    We knew that all this Mumbai attacks co-operation is going to be a hog-wash, lo and behold it turns out to be true again. I don't know what India will achieve from this. I can bet that not even one guy is going to get punished, people will forget and every body moves on and open their eyes again only when we have one more attack on our country. Jai Hind.
     
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    Give them more evidence. Infact stop waiting for their replies. Keep giving them evidence till their offices begin to overflow with it.

    Why are we giving them an excuse to stall?
     
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    Flint, a lot of evidence against the Pakistanis has been gathered by our moles in Pakistan. Now, Pakistan is asking more evidence as to how we gathered that evidence in dossier, so that they can find our intelligence network in Pakistan and in effect this will stall the case as GoI wouldn't want to expose her intelligence network.
     
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    Cool - so we're using our intelligence networks to gather info in Pakistan and deliver it to Pakistani authorities. Oh the irony.
     
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    Also with a little help from American intelligence.
     
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    yea.....lets do that. and as soon as they complete their investigation they will hang all the masterminds. then we can all live happily ever after........

    WTF is wrong with us indians........
     
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    So what are we gaining by complaining? Are the masterminds being hanged?
     
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    Their investigation was hopeless and diversionary in the first place.
    It still is and will remain to be so.

    Co-operation from Pakistan is a distant dream....
     
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    IMVHO, we have allowed pak to successfully scuttle the issue, it had started this investigation under heat from international world(i.e US), but it has entangled it in technicalities and made it a non sense. since, nobody cares about it anymore other than india, it is useless. basically, a failure for the govt that is trumpeting that they have scored some 'diplomatic victory' over pak.

    we should have put pressure on pak to deport the masterminds like lakhvi, zarar shah when the international world was still sympathetic about 26/11, but now we have lost the oppurtunity. so anything we do now is useless. just dont involve in this farce anymore. simply, reject to work with pak till it deports the ppl we want. this is the message that should be sent to pak, US and anyone concerned.
     
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    johnee haven't you realized that India can't pressure Pak into conceding to our demands? its not possible - and military force is not an option because they have nukes and might even use them.
    So the best policy is to cooperate as much as possible and not give them the chance to make excuses, and make the USA put pressure on them.
     
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    That is why I am all for bringing Iran and the US together. We can do it but do we have the spine?
     
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    Johnee , I am on this opinion that their probe will end up no where, as Pakistani Govt officially sealed Sharia in SWAT, the Talibanies and Jehadis are not in control, rather Pak Administration is on their control. No head way will be rather denial from Pak Administration and obstacles created by them.
     
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    sir,
    I agree that we may not put pressure on pak directly, that doesnt mean we have no leverage at all. we have enough politicial, regional, economic leverage that we can use if we are serious. lets first cut all diplomotic ties with pak, that will send a very strong message to all concerned that we mean business. that it is not going to be any normal business till they deport all those responsible for killing innocent indians. since, this time we have evidence, we are in position of strength. since, foreigners have also died, we must put pressure on israel and US publicly to pressure pak(i.e cut aids). indian PM openly saying that obama's handling of pak is flawed and will plunge this region into greater peril will be a big blow to obama and his credibility.
    india must be ready to bulldoze a bit, if necessary. to hope that everything will get right automatically is naive. you sound just like that musalman guy who is saying that taliban will go away if ppl cooperate with it.
     
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    ^johnee don't forget that the US won't appreciate it if India cuts ties with Pak. They are US allies after all and the Americans want reconciliation between the two countries not enmity, and frankly I agree.
    So it would be counterproductive to turn our back and sulk - it has gotten us nowhere for the last 20 years and it won't work in the future either.

    Also comparing Pak with Taliban is rather disingenuous. The Taliban need to be defeated and destroyed, while we have to eventually learn to coexist with Pakistan, not go after them. Keep that in mind.
     
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    exactly. since, US cant afford us cutting ties with pak, they would have to concede to 'some' of our demands to make us happy. give and take policy. you keep us happy, we keep you happy. right now, US is just bulldozing us, it is taking india for granted. time for jolt. first demand: deport lakhvi and shah(and dawood if possible).

    PS: it might not be a complete success, but it would bring us more results than present exchange of 'evidences'.
     
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    Rite, Johnee we have very little leverage over the US. Please remember that! You think the US is going to 'concede" to our demands? Laughable.
     
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    I dont agree with you, sir. taliban may be dangerous to pak( or usefull. who knows?) but to india........both pakistan and taliban are same. no difference. infact, with taliban we have to fight a rag tag army with not much strategy and centuries old ideology, but with pakistan we have to fight a professional army with US weapons and nukes. never forget the thousand cut policy. to expect that pakistan will someday become our friend is really naive.
    india must strive to disband pak into smaller ethinic states which will be concerned about their own future than to establish 'thousand yr islamic rule in india'. this is the right oppurtunity. de-nuke pak, then disband pak. then we can live happily ever after............:l_kiss:
     
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    sir,
    look at iran. hasnt iran bulldozed US into finally accepting their 'conditions'. US, today wants clear disputes with US.
    we certainly have more leverage than iran, sir. but we need some [email protected]
     
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    I think it would be better for us to support the moderate forces within Pakistan and reach out to them. It will be much more effective than what you are suggesting.

    Striving to "disband" Pakistan would never work, and it would lead to another 50 years of proxy war from both sides. Its highly responsible thinking. Even if Pakistan does break into smaller states, it will compound our problems because none of them will be strong enough to resist the fundamentalist forces from taking over.
     

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