India ranks below China, Pak in global hunger index

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  1. navida

    navida Regular Member

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    New Delhi: India has been ranked 67, way below neighbouring countries like China and Pakistan, in a new global hunger index by the International Food Policy Research Institute.

    The index, released on Monday, rated 84 countries on the basis of three leading indicators - prevalence of child malnutrition, rate of child mortality, and the proportion of people who are calorie deficient.

    China is rated much ahead of India at the ninth place, while Pakistan is at the 52nd place on the 2010 Global Hunger Index, released by the International Food Policy Research Institute (IFPRI) in association with a German group Concern Worldwide and Welthungerhilfe.

    In India, the high Index scores are driven by high levels of child underweight resulting from the low nutritional and social status of women in the country, the report pointed out, adding that India alone accounts for a large share of the world's undernourished children, the IFPRI report said.

    India is home to 42 per cent of the world's underweight children, while Pakistan has just 5 per cent, it added.

    Among other neighbouring countries, Sri Lanka was at the 39th position and Nepal ranked 56 by index. Bangladesh listed at the 68th position.

    "The economic performance and hunger levels are inversely correlated. In South and Southeast Asia, Bangladesh, India, Pakistan and Timor-Leste are among countries with hunger levels considerably higher than their gross national income (GNI) per capita," the IFPRI report said.

    "Undernutrition in the first two years of life threatens a child's life and can jeopardise physical, motor and cognitive development. It is therefore of particular importance that we take concerted action to combat hunger, especially among young children," the report stressed.

    It further said that the global food security is under stress. Although the world's leaders, through the first Millennium Development Goal, adopted a goal of halving the proportion of hungry people between 1990 and 2015, "we are nowhere near meeting that target."

    "The 2010 world Global Hunger Index (GHI) shows some improvement over the 1990 world GHI, falling from 19.8 points to 15.1 or by almost one-quarter. The index for hunger in the world, however, remains serious," it noted.

    In recent years, however, the number of hungry people has actually been increasing. In 2009, on the heels of a global food price crisis and in the midst of worldwide recession, the number of undernourished peopled surpassed one billion, although recent estimates by the UN body Food and Agriculture Organisation suggest that the number will have dropped to 925 million in 2010, it added.

    The report said that South Asian countries, along with Sub-Saharan Africa, still suffered from high levels of hunger.

    The major problem in the South Asian region was a high prevalence of underweight in children under five, resulting largely from the lower nutritional and educational status of women, poor nutrition and health programmes, and inadequate water and sanitation services, it said.

    "In contrast, in Sub Saharan Africa, low government effectiveness, conflict, political instability and high rates of HIV/AIDS are among the major factors that lead to high child mortality and high proportion of people who cannot meet their calorie requirements," the report highlighted.

    In order to tackle early childhood undernutrition, the IFPRI recommended high-priority policy actions including targeting nutrition interventions for women and children in the window of opportunity, foster gender equity and prioritise nutrition in political and policy processes.

    This is the fifth year that IFPRI has calculated the global hunger index and analysed the multidimensional measure of global hunger. The report drew attention to the countries and regions where action is most needed.


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  3. Agantrope

    Agantrope Senior Member Senior Member

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    what to do. People in india eat full meals regularly, they cant finish with the limited meals and they need evening snacks like pav bhaji and all. What to.

    Even tiruvalluvar said this more then 2100 years ago 'Sevikku unavu illadha polhudhu siridhu vayirukku iyappadum', Food for stomach when there is no food for mind.
     
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    Jokes apart, India's growth depends on the human capital we we boast of. If the children are malnourished, they will be stunted and will have limited brain development.
    Isn't it a matter of urgency for us? While tonnes of food grains are rotting in one part, people are dying of hunger in another. Its a real shame. And we conveniently ignore the reality and prefer to live in a lala land where India is a super power The country shines ever so brightly
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    There are way too many researches conducted by numerous agencies of dubious credibility.

    I have a few questions:
    • How many samples were taken? How divergent were the samples?
    • Was re-sampling or importance sampling done at all? If yes, how many times was it repeated?
    • Was the classification based on only underweight subjects or did it prescribe a lower limit and upped limit to include overweight subjects as well?
    • Who funded this research?
    • When and how was the data collected and how was it collected, especially from places where there are authoritarian regimes in power or complete anarchy, lawlessness and power-of-the-barrel rules?
    • Was T-test or F-test done to ensure that the results are statistically significant?

    Anyone need a helping of a pinch of salt with this breakfast hash-brown?
     
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    tarunraju Moderator Moderator

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    There's no point arguing about the credibility of the survey. You probably won't do that if an index shows India in a favourable position.

    This should totally rattle Sharad Pawar and his piss poor storage and PDS management.
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    I wouldn't doubt if any report says that there is undernourishment problem in India. I can believe that. However, a report that places India below Pakistan needs to be questioned; and my specific questions are already there in the previous post.

    Sharad Pawar, on the other hand, needs to make up his mind, whether to take care of food and agriculture or the world of cricket. He seems overstretched, utterly irresponsible and selfish.
     
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    India has always fared below Pakistan in various indexes due to various reasons. They have more percentage of fertile well irrigated lands which is a main reason. Historically , the area which is Pakistan now hasn't faced much famine while South , central and East India have been hardly hit.

    It seems almost arrogate to state that we are better than Pakistan in ever way and they are not even worthy of comparison. This report should be humbling to those who think so.
     
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    Sounds reasonable and Pakistan is largely agrarian. Yet, the question remains how accurate is the report. I am not questioning the posterior but the estimate from the observation. I can't make it any simpler.
     
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    Its easier to get correct numbers from india at grassroots level than Pakistan and China. India may have more poor in absolute numbers than pak, but certainly not in percentage terms. I'm very skeptical about making comparisons of India with countries that are not transparent or takes accurate measurements.

    Better compare with Bangladesh, indonesia etc.
     
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    Well said. That is exactly what I wad trying to point out.
     
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    don't forget Pakistan gets lots of relief aid from different patrons with a much smaller population.

    and in China there're a great deal of subsidies distributed to under developed areas from central government's revenue.
    <<<prevalence of child malnutrition, rate of child mortality, and the proportion of people who are calorie deficient <<<
     
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    What is the annual agricultural output of India?

    As far as i know, India has even more fertile farmland than China and has a self-sufficient agricultural industry. Indian people shoud be able to feed them well.

    Maybe there are some problems in the food distribution system.
     
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    Exactly, our food distribution system (known as PDS or public distribution system), is totally bloated, with too many middlemen. By the time a commodity gets from the producer to the consumer, its price goes up nearly 400%. There's also the problem of hoarding that causes artificial inflation, and our Agriculture Ministry is a den of assholes. They let tons of surplus food grain rot in the open this year, even when the Supreme Court (the highest judicial body in the country) ordered it to distribute it among the poor for free.
     
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    These researches are as inaccurate as anything of this proportion can be. Some countries that have issues with us like Australia have agencies that report more than 600 million as living in poverty!! Whereas the figure officially launched by our government shows only 250 million out of 1.12 billion people. 250 million is a huge figure when you consider Pakistan since entire Pakistan has lesser population than this. So obviously we would appear poorer. Same goes for Africa. The combined populations of entire west Africa and east Africa forms the population of India roughly. So we'd naturally have "more hungry and poor" than them when its 250 million.

    China has progressed well in eradicating poverty and I respect that. But now compare the proportion of poor and under privileged with Pakistan. A 2008 Survey conducted by the UN showed that out of 180 million, 100 million fall roughly in that category. Now compare 100/180 and 250/1,120. This puts approx 21% of Indian population in that category whereas it puts around more than 55% of Pakistani population in such an underprivileged category. Simply put, Pakistan and African countries cannot be compared to India because of demographic size difference, geographic condition, economic situation and other such factors. These comparisons are silly and impractical.

    Botswana has a better per capita income than India and China's Per capita income combined at $ 7,000 odd. Does it mean Botswana is more prosperous and better off than both of us?

    It is very unfortunate that we're having 250 million such poor people but it is being taken care off and until people support the government in their programmes, nothing can be done.
     
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    main reasion might be the low efficiency and productivty of India's agriculture.

    India's food production/per square is only 1/3-1/2 of China. India's per capital food productivity is only 1/3-1/2... it is very hard to provide Indian people enough food on such a condition.
     
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    There's nothing deficient about the production as of now. There's a lot of surplus produce, but that ends up rotting instead of being distributed.
     
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    This should not be a suprise in communist countries the Government own everything and they are the only ones that are rich the rest of the people are poor,this goes to show that the Chinese middle class is smaller than in India and the distribution of wealth is very narrow, limited to a select few at the top of the Communist party.
     
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    Actually indian agriculture has two main issues. One, the fields are broken up and owned by small farmers (except perhaps in punjab and MP ?) esp in MH and south. Corporates would like to get into the act, but acquiring land from local farmers is too fraught with legal and regulatory issues. Govt has tried to protect the small farmer from being taken over by corporates, but in reality it just killed any prospect of viable and profitable farming. Ideally there will be laws to enable corporates to lease farmland that protects both parties in some way.

    The distribution system is a joke. Politicians like Pawar completely screw up the system to support hoarding of food grains to keep market prices up while grains rot in storage.

    This is one key area for opposition to cause a minor revolution, but BJP has lost all direction and is reduced to making statements in TV and contradicting each other. Sad Sad situation.
     
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    According to India-style loose definition of "mid-class",90% of Chinese, except those entitled to poverty subsidies ,can be titled "mid class".

    According to Chinese definition of "mid-class" .90% of India "mid class" so called can be entitle to poverty subsidies in CHina.


    BTW.

    India total wealth is less than China.
    India has more billionnaires than CHina
    India has much more people in abject poverty than CHina.
    however, some guys like LETHALFORCE still insist that India has better wealth distribution than CHina......what a joke!
     
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    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    Why are more chinese starving if this were the case?? Chinese wealth is in Debt holdings and not in real assets. Look at who has more real assets and you find the reason why chinese are starving and trying to be a cheap #2 competitor to USA while being trapped in the third world quicksand.
     
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