India Plans to buy S-400

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  1. square

    square Strategic Issues Senior Member

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    russian t90 do not produce the problems as those of indian t90...
    watered down complectation in tot i guess...
     
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    i actually can not understand , when china can make copies and still russia made no objection , even providing engines for those copies....why not hal ??
     
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    These types of things happen only in India. We can cite a metaphor of the good boy India never passing an exam while the bad boy Chinese not only passing the exam but also with distinction. India has a history of first building a sub with German help then later with French help but still requiring foreign help for next generation conventional diesel electric sub building. Isn't this funny; we can't blame anybody but ourselves for this shoddy affairs. Screwdriving is what our scientists and engineers are able to get from other country.
     
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    Chinese got two level lower version. Russian will let them copy as long as they supplied the critical parts.

    Russians as is coming clear from Saudi Arabian deal and elsewhere are not giving the best version of S-4000 but an export version. This version does not have all the critical features. This the Indian technical evaluation team found out before signing the export contract.

    Mind it that the export version is as good but a few capabilities which India need would be missing for the high price.
     
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    So what you are saying is that S-400 purchase is a stop-gap measure? Is this not pretty expensive for a stop gap measure? With the number of systems we are buying, it'll be possible to cover both the fronts with S-400. Looks like they are trying to kill XR-SAM, or maybe they just did not know about XR-SAM (this is why we need a Air Force design bureau)? IMHO, after buying the bare minimum of S-400 required, we'd definitely be better off spending the balance of the amount earmarked for current acquisition of S-400 on developing the XR-SAM.

    Russian T-90 has a vodka dispenser that Indian T-90 lacks. Apart from that, please try this thread:
    Indian Army Armored Vehicles
    since this is not the correct thread for this question.
    I agree with the Chinese part, but it seems to me like you are blaming the scientists for this mess (forgive me if I am wrong about that).

    Its not the fault of just one part of the system. The entire system is at fault here. That system includes the politicians, bureaucrats, armed forces, PSUs, DRDO, media and the electorate.

    Do you think that the geniuses at DRDO were not motivated people when they joined the organisation? Or doyou think that an IAS or IES aspirant is not motivated when he joins the bureaucracy?

    While we built submarines with foreign help and are still doing that, do you think we have made no headway at all in submarine technology? So blue laser tech, AIP, Varunastra, USHS, K-15, K-4 and all the rest of the stuff is nothing?
    Forget all that. What is Arihant? Is it not an Indian submarine?
     
  7. IndianHawk

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    Look at the way our own air defense systems are coming up. AKASH 1 ,2 , barak 8 , whatever happened to maitri. Upcoming SAM version of ASTRA.

    S400 would serve is for 6-8 years in which time we must come up with at least similarly networked indegenious system .

    So in that sense if we are not involved in future products with Russia like s500 and ahead.then S400 has to be a stop gap measure.
     
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    India needs to stop buying these imported downgraded toys. BMD phase-I should be made operational soon and XR-SAM expedited.
     
  9. Chinmoy

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    S-400 is not a stop gap solution.
    XR-SAM would have the same range and capability of S-300. Looking at its strategic value, monetary value is not too high. Remember that previously we had opted for 12 regts, but later scaled it down to 5. Now thsi has been done by keeping in mind the monetary value only. Moreover majority of these 5 systems would be basically placed in Eastern front. As far as Western front is concerned, our other asset are capable to deal with it as of now.
     
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    Word on the street is that XR-SAM is a S-400 equivalent in consideration.
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    I am actually drooling over the idea (my pet fantasy) of an XR-SAM with 400km range being deployed in Campbell Bay on Great Nicobar.
     
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    Now look another report which has been doing round.

    http://idrw.org/xrsam-indias-next-generation-long-range-air-defence-missile-system/

    Now read the underlined part. Interestingly both are quoting Sourav Jha.
     
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    How can such long range missiles be only ARH? They will need guidance till within 50 Km of the target?
     
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    This post is actually talking about two systems. One with 250km and other with 400 know range. So maybe 250 km will come early and compliment s400 while we develop 400km version.

    If we are not having a joint project with Russia for s500 then we will go further with our own .in next 10 years our missile range should be doubled . And we shall be capable of having a very advanced indegenious system on par with Russia.
     
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    S-400 main features are not range and KP only.
    XR-SAM will not be so mobile and stealthy and will not have an equal network centric capabilities ever...

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  16. Chinmoy

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    :):):).... Actually its not so confusing if you start reading between lines and try to summarize up the whole idea behind XR-SAM. It has been envisioned after repeated successful trial of AAD. It is a derivative of AAD. So currently AAD does have a range of 120 km, so doubling up the range is the idea behind XR-SAM. So we could assume that it would be on par with S-300.
     
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    ARH does act at terminal phase only. Before that it is guided by FCR.
     
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    Yes, it will be an equivalent of S-300PM-2 and S-300VM in range and probably KP.
    But not the network centrics and mobility.
    However reality is so that non-mobile and/or limited mobile (like MIM-104 Patriot) AD systems are sitting ducks without any chance to survive retaliation strike.
     
  19. Chinmoy

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    If its based on AAD, then it would be mobile.

    As far as network centric AD is concerned, we are working on that front. Recently every asset in IAF had been brought under a single network. So AD fusion or developing an independent network centric system is something which is in pipeline.
     
  20. LETHALFORCE

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    Once India inducts S-400 and S-500 the whole Pakistani airforce will be paralyzed within
    250-500 miles of their airspace.
     
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