India S-400 Acquisition - News Updates and Discussions

[WolfPack86]

India’s S400 Trimuph Air Defense System WILL checkmate Pakistan & CHINA-S 400 Triumf SAM In Action

 

[SajeevJino]

So Chinese S 400 will checkmate Indian capital Delhi too, thank you Russia to keep our capital busy

 

[WolfPack86]

The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) under the chairmanship of Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar

 

[gadeshi]

So Chinese S 400 will checkmate Indian capital Delhi too, thank you Russia to keep our capital busy

It is very wise Putins decision to do so.
Giving you both equal DEFENSIVE weapons will stop both of you from going into a war against each other.
Since you are both Tier 1 allies for Moscow, it wants you to be allies to each other in the dark times to come. It encourage you both for cooperation and mutual lucrative trade instead of threating to each other.

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[WolfPack86]

India to Fast Track Critical Defense Deals Including S-400 Defense System

 

[SajeevJino]

It is very wise Putins decision to do so.
Giving you both equal DEFENSIVE weapons will stop both of you from going into a war against each other.
Since you are both Tier 1 allies for Moscow, it wants you to be allies to each other in the dark times to come. It encourage you both for cooperation and mutual lucrative trade instead of threating to each other.

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Overlap I think

China has strong army and supply routes to invade India, India has only one option to stop their move, its the Airforce with CAS Fighters, where China is weak providing CAS to their troops

If China fields the S 400 IAF's CAS mission also in question mark, where Chinese troops can march to Delhi without any issues

 

[SajeevJino]

Idiot wolf pack stop sharing such dumbest Facebook posts

 

[tharun]

Overlap I think

China has strong army and supply routes to invade India, India has only one option to stop their move, its the Airforce with CAS Fighters, where China is weak providing CAS to their troops

If China fields the S 400 IAF's CAS mission also in question mark, where Chinese troops can march to Delhi without any issues

Marching in to Delhi?
Have u seen the terrain near
Uttharakhand?
That's not that easy

 

[SajeevJino]

Marching in to Delhi?
Have u seen the terrain near
Uttharakhand?
That's not that easy

I sure China will not paradrop their soldier inside Indian land, they must walk or use wheels

 

[WolfPack86]

Russian S-400 Triumf air defence missile will be Strategic Game Changer for India

 

[WolfPack86]

India, Russia fast-track big-ticket defence deals for Putin-Modi summit

A set of defence collaboration agreements are being finalized for signing at the India-Russia annual summit to be held alongside the BRICS summit, on October 15 and 16.

India plans to sign several big-ticket defence deals with its traditional and strategic partner Russia during the annual summit between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi on October 15-16, coinciding with the BRICS summit, in Goa. This is the third annual bilateral summit between Putin and Modi.

The defence deals, worth billions of dollars, have long been discussed between the two countries. Officials are expediting the exchanges to ensure some agreements are ready for signing at the Goa bilateral summit.

Both countries had begun negotiations on a number of defence cooperation projects during the 16th meeting of the Joint Working Group (JWG) on Indo-Russian Military-Technical Cooperation on September 7-8, in New Delhi. Reports indicate that substantive progress has been made on these projects, bringing the deals and pending projects “well on track.”

According to sources, some of the most important stalled defence deals, may get the “green signal’ during the Putin-Modi summit. These include purchase of five S-400 ‘Triumph’ long-range air defence missile systems, worth $6 billion, an IL-78 multi-role tanker transport by India, the joint upgrading of the Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighters and Kamov-28 helicopters. The projects most likely to be finalized during the summit also include the long-awaited joint development of the fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) worth over $20 billion, and the joint production of Kamov Ka- 26 light helicopters.

India is reported to be still in talks with the Russian side on the purchase of S-400 Triumph air defence systems. It may be recalled that under the chairmanship of Indian Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar, the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC), the highest body that takes decisions on weapons purchasing, had cleared the purchase of S-400 air defence systems from Russia in December 2015. However, Russia is still awaiting the “final go-ahead” from India on the supply of the newest missile systems.

Negotiations between New Delhi and Moscow on the deliveries of S-400 surface-to-air missile systems and on some other aspects of military-technical cooperation between the two countries are in progress, Pankaj Saran, India’s Ambassador to Russia, said recently.

“There are many platforms for discussions and S-400 is one of them,” Saran said.

If the deal on S-400s is signed, it will become the biggest defence deal between the two countries since 2001, when India reached agreement with Russia to buy 140 Su-30MKI fighter jets. India might also become the second country to possess S-400s.

Russia signed an agreement with China in April 2015, for the delivery of the S-400s. Russia’s delivery of the cutting-edge missile systems to India, will strengthen its air defences along the borders with China and Pakistan.

Discussions on the joint development of FGFA resumed earlier this year, after they were suspended over differences on the percentage of work- share in the research and development content between India and Russia. The preliminary agreement on the joint production of FGFA was signed in 2010, and a final agreement would release about $6 billion for joint development.

Following a series of negotiations on technical details over the past few months, the two countries are now ready with a detailed work-share agreement, under which Russia will share new generation aircraft technologies as a part of a deal to produce more than 100 fighters in India.

During the two-day meeting of the JWG of the Military-Technical Cooperation in September, Russia submitted a “technical-commercial proposal” to supply India with four multi-purpose frigates equipped with sensors and weapons, including BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles. Under the proposal, out of four frigates, two will be delivered from Russia, and the other two will be built in India. There are already six frigates, including three Talwar-class and three Teg-class frigates, with the Indian Navy.

The JWG also discussed the issue of joint production of 200 Ka-226 twin engine multi-role helicopters. The deal on joint production of the Ka-226 helicopters in India under technology transfer from Russia, was signed during the visit of Prime Minister Modi to Moscow in December 2015. Sources said 60 helicopters would be supplied for assembly in India, while the remaining 140 will be manufactured in India. It is the first major project to be implemented under Indian government’s “Make in India” programme. The contract is estimated to cost over $1 billion.

Russia and India have agreed to incorporate a new company in October for the joint production of Ka-226 helicopters, and the deal is expected to be signed during the coming summit, in Goa.

Media reports in September also indicated that India is also interested in leasing a second nuclear- powered submarine from Russia. Negotiations for leasing another Akula-class submarine for about $1.5 billion, are already in the final stages. India’s only nuclear attack submarine, INS Chakra, was also leased from Russia in 2012 for 10 years for a price of $900 million.

India is interested in a different and newer class of vessel. Officials have expressed hope that a deal may be signed very soon. Russia is also assisting India in building its indigenous nuclear submarines.

The two countries have also made significant progress in the negotiations for the modernization of Su-30 MKI multi-role fighters and an agreement is planned to be signed very soon. Discussions have been going on for some time for upgrading the aircraft which was called “Super Sukhoi,” but the talks gained momentum recently in the run up to the Putin-Modi summit in Goa. The cost of the deal, in the range of $7 to 8 billion, is yet to be finalized, sources said.

The military-technical cooperation between India and Russia is as an important pillar of the “privileged, special strategic partnership.” It is not merely a relationship of a “buyer and seller,” but works on complex joint research, designing, development and production projects, with participation of the Indian public and private sectors, and licensed production in India, thereby advancing the ‘Make in India’ programme.
http://www.defencenews.in/article.aspx?id=8558

 

[republic_roi97]

I sure China will not paradrop their soldier inside Indian land, they must walk or use wheels

My man, there is a reason why South Asia is also referred to as a sub-continent, there is Himalayas, world's highest mountain range, that isolates south asia from rest of asia, so the chinese cannot just come on wheels to India because that is impossible. Now to the north of Himalayas we see Tibet which happens to be world's highest plateau region, height alone is the greatest disadvantage for China, as their Jets have to take more time on runway to take off and land back, plus the environment is harsh and cold with 1/3 to 1/2 levels of oxygen, very difficult terrain. But to the south of Himalayas lies our areas which are totally opposite of Tibet, our Airbases are at a lot of advantages as compared to the Chinese, plus we also have significant control over Himalayan region. So the terrain in the India- China border would be a huge disadvantage for Chinese but not for us.

 

[Chinmoy]

My man, there is a reason why South Asia is also referred to as a sub-continent, there is Himalayas, world's highest mountain range, that isolates south asia from rest of asia, so the chinese cannot just come on wheels to India because that is impossible. Now to the north of Himalayas we see Tibet which happens to be world's highest plateau region, height alone is the greatest disadvantage for China, as their Jets have to take more time on runway to take off and land back, plus the environment is harsh and cold with 1/3 to 1/2 levels of oxygen, very difficult terrain. But to the south of Himalayas lies our areas which are totally opposite of Tibet, our Airbases are at a lot of advantages as compared to the Chinese, plus we also have significant control over Himalayan region. So the terrain in the India- China border would be a huge disadvantage for Chinese but not for us.

Tibet also give them advantage on land movement. If you happen to visit any such border outpost bordering Tibet, then you could have a look at the stark difference on both side. Stand on any such outpost and have a look at Chinese side, you could see a vast plain on their side whereas you have 100 feet deep valley and mountain just in your back. This vast plain does provide Chinese considerable logistic advantage on land.
Below are two such pics from Bumla.

View of Chinese Side..........

View of Indian side....

 

[republic_roi97]

Tibet also give them advantage on land movement. If you happen to visit any such border outpost bordering Tibet, then you could have a look at the stark difference on both side. Stand on any such outpost and have a look at Chinese side, you could see a vast plain on their side whereas you have 100 feet deep valley and mountain just in your back. This vast plain does provide Chinese considerable logistic advantage on land.

Its not about immediate vicinity around the border, I was talking about the entire Himalayan Region, Chinese sides are really Harsh and are sides are opposite with low altitude, normal pressure and normal conditions which give us advantage.

 

[Chinmoy]

Its not about immediate vicinity around the border, I was talking about the entire Himalayan Region, Chinese sides are really Harsh and are sides are opposite with low altitude, normal pressure and normal conditions which give us advantage.

Actually not. If you consider their infra, they do have much better infra very near to border, whereas our infra are considerably far from all the border areas. We are operating ALGs in border regions, whereas they do have a full fledged air base at the very same region. So technically speaking, our flying machines have to undergo much more stress full transition in our flights then the Chinese ones.

 

[republic_roi97]

Actually not. If you consider their infra, they do have much better infra very near to border, whereas our infra are considerably far from all the border areas. We are operating ALGs in border regions, whereas they do have a full fledged air base at the very same region. So technically speaking, our flying machines have to undergo much more stress full transition in our flights then the Chinese ones.

Do you think that Chinese invasion into India would be easy ? Will they be able to mobilize their troops so easily ?

 

[Chinmoy]

Do you think that Chinese invasion into India would be easy ? Will they be able to mobilize their troops so easily ?

In Tibet sector, upto BOPs they could mobilize their troops within days. They would face trouble only after crossing into Indian territory. Now for any invading force, they would have numbers on their side along with Air superiority support and ground support.
For India, it would be a matter of weeks to match their numbers in BOPs. So being a defensive force, you have to employ guerilla warfare techniques to stop their aggression. Also air support would be of utter importance to check their advancing land contingent.

 

[republic_roi97]

In Tibet sector, upto BOPs they could mobilize their troops within days. They would face trouble only after crossing into Indian territory. Now for any invading force, they would have numbers on their side along with Air superiority support and ground support.
For India, it would be a matter of weeks to match their numbers in BOPs. So being a defensive force, you have to employ guerilla warfare techniques to stop their aggression. Also air support would be of utter importance to check their advancing land contingent.

The real challenge for them would be to get to Northern Plains once they cross the BPOs because of the Himalayas, since until Leh Laddakh its all Plateau but after that, its all about deap valleys and high mountains, nothing much that can be done by Chinese air support due to the harsh mountainous terrain in JK, Himachal, Sikkim, Uttrakhand etc. Their we can employ guerrilla warfare and I.E.D to landlock their troops. Plus a few S400 batteries deployed here and their on our mountains would make Himalayas a death trap.

 

[Chinmoy]

The real challenge for them would be to get to Northern Plains once they cross the BPOs because of the Himalayas, since until Leh Laddakh its all Plateau but after that, its all about deap valleys and high mountains, nothing much that can be done by Chinese air support due to the harsh mountainous terrain in JK, Himachal, Sikkim, Uttrakhand etc. Their we can employ guerrilla warfare and I.E.D to landlock their troops. Plus a few S400 batteries deployed here and their on our mountains would make Himalayas a death trap.

That we could do. But the main problem would always be the air power. By air power I don't mean just the combat fighters, it does involves transportation too. As their bases are much near to border, replenishment is something they could get handy then our troops. Moreover they would have number on their side. Remember that they would be marching down on us, and we would be marching up against them. And in mountain warfare, you know what difference both could make.
The only way is to accelerate your border management and infrastructure development in these areas.

 

[republic_roi97]

That we could do. But the main problem would always be the air power. By air power I don't mean just the combat fighters, it does involves transportation too. As their bases are much near to border, replenishment is something they could get handy then our troops. Moreover they would have number on their side. Remember that they would be marching down on us, and we would be marching up against them. And in mountain warfare, you know what difference both could make.
The only way is to accelerate your border management and infrastructure development in these areas.

They would be marching downwards but in this case, we know our mountains, we will be at advantage. We can already set a death trap since the mountains of Himalayas are not rigid, landslides can easily be created using IED and Dynamites. Now as for bases, ones they reach the Himalayas, they would be entering our traps. Mountains are going to limit there air support. Again for their airborne transports, as I said we can have a few S400 Batteries spread all across our mountains. Believe me, we can defeat the entire invading force of China by just our advantage of Himalayan Range, provided that we WEAPONIZE THE HIMALAYAS.